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Aimee Weber
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10-07-2005 09:28
From: Eboni Khan
The other winners are rather dismal. Also, umm, how did Relay for Life win with a word document? I thought you needed to submit a movie.


The rules asked for screenshots and/or short movie. So movie was not required.
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Eboni Khan
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10-07-2005 09:36
From: Aimee Weber
The rules asked for screenshots and/or short movie. So movie was not required.



Still, one picture and a word doc? Compared to the other entries? It doesn't make logical sense, but PR moves rarely do I suppose.
Aimee Weber
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10-07-2005 09:38
From: Eboni Khan
Still, one picture and a word doc? Compared to the other entries? It doesn't make logical sense, but PR moves rarely do I suppose.


Well the word doc had more screenshots embedded in it. And it's pretty hard to argue against curing Cancer :D
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10-07-2005 09:38
Interesting. And not far from what I expected (having done some research on the judges).

Someone asked about the Quake 3 entry. I recall them starting up Workspace Unlimited some years ago and asking about how they could use the engine to create a virtual space for interaction. What they were after wasn't a "game level".

Upon visiting their site again a few months back, it definitely looked as if they were branching out from purely virtual spaces and into augmented spaces (though I might be mistaken). Now that the engine is open source, I'd intended to get caught up; their site wasn't all that informative last I visited. Now I have a reason to check their work out as they'll likely have more information on their entry.

Congrats to everyone who entered.
Satchmo Prototype
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Join date: 26 Aug 2004
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10-07-2005 09:57
Relay for Life rocked... Congrats to all those involved...
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Dianne Mechanique
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10-07-2005 10:08
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places don't really seem to be virtual spaces, to me... just stuff superimposed over RL.

I thought the prereq was being in a virtual world? Is a quake3 map imposed over a RL wall a virtual world?

Hmm.

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Count me as extremely unimpressed by these winners also.

2nd 3rd and 4th especially just seem like pretty pictures and some post modern baffle-gab.
I dont get it. :(
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Zarf Vantongerloo
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Join date: 22 Jun 2005
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10-07-2005 10:13
Alas, the SOP folks published the version of my submission that included all my RL details. I have taken down those pages.

A copy of my submission that doesn't include anything personal can be found at:
Nota Bene: A Virtual Notary

Word of warning to other entrants: In some cases your RL name, address and telephone numbers are accessible from the SOP pages.
Eboni Khan
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10-07-2005 10:42
From: Aimee Weber
Well the word doc had more screenshots embedded in it. And it's pretty hard to argue against curing Cancer :D



I tried to open the word doc 3 times and it would not open, so I gave up. :( I'll try again later.
Persephone Milk
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10-07-2005 10:52
Congratulations to Relay for Life!

With so many wonderful entries by citizens of Second Life, one has to wonder if the judges had constrained themselves to only picking one build from any one world. It's pretty easy to see how SL could have sweeped this competition easily.

I am so glad a SL build got first place though, and none is more deseriving than Relay for Life :)
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Salazar Jack
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10-07-2005 10:56
From: Eboni Khan
I tried to open the word doc 3 times and it would not open, so I gave up. :( I'll try again later.


Here is their entry saved as a PDF:

Relay For Life entry SOP05
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10-07-2005 14:22
From: Persephone Milk
Congratulations to Relay for Life!

With so many wonderful entries by citizens of Second Life, one has to wonder if the judges had constrained themselves to only picking one build from any one world. It's pretty easy to see how SL could have sweeped this competition easily.

I am so glad a SL build got first place though, and none is more deseriving than Relay for Life :)

I think exactly the same. I even suggested earlier that this was the reason for the delay.

Congrats Relay for Life.
And congrats to the whole of SL, we are one step further on the way to becoming "the" metaverse. :D
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Eboni Khan
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10-07-2005 14:46
From: Salazar Jack
Here is their entry saved as a PDF:

Relay For Life entry SOP05



Thank you for the PDF. The images and descriptions were a very good represenation of the build. Congradulations.
Torley Linden
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10-07-2005 14:53
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Cocoanut Koala
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10-07-2005 17:56
While there is of course disappointment in it for many, it may well have been that they were trying to spread the riches. In any case, an SL entry DID get first place, and how can anybody do better than that? That is a terrific reflection on SL.

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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-07-2005 18:34
While I'm thrilled SL managed to win a prize, I'm frankly quite surprised by the winners. None of them were even in my top ten. I can only assume that the judges' interpretation of the contest guidelines differed substantially from mine. Nonetheless, to all the winners, please accept my half-hearted congratulations. ;)

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10-07-2005 18:50
Having researched the backgrounds of some of the judges beforehand, the results are very much what I expected. Based on what I dug up, very little of what most people build in SL would be very exciting to them imo. Builds in SL are probably a bit too RW; which is why I suspect the more esoteric pieces placed so well. And one advantage I suspect the Relay had was it's impermanence; it came and went. There's something interesting in the process of how that project happened. Something which I suspect appealed to this group.

Just my guess.
Torley Linden
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10-07-2005 19:38
This ties into what's said here.

The following of what I am going to say is meant playfully, so I indicate this with a ;) in advance.

I might not be too long before a fake, totally pretentious, wordy, bloated entry gets submitted to a competition like this and bags the crown—with the hoax to be revealed afterwards in a manner even a digitally renanimated PT Barnum could appreciate. :)

I once had this experience, submitting a rather complex composition to a classical music contest full of snobs. O, how I rambled on about the psychological dissonance of the augmented 4th and the neo-Rachmaninoffian tenets of clustered chords founded on the supertonic! Notice how the inverted triad juxtaposted against the syncopated ostinatos generates anxiety, a subtle homage to the grandiose, pomp virtuosity of Liszt! Thrill in how the modulated arpeggios are neither too allegro nor rubato, yet retain their Debussyesque legato glissandos while changing key signature moving into the recapitulation of the exposition!

MEH! What all that really amounted to was me, going up to the grand piano, banging keys randomly, bowing stiffly, and collecting my prize. :D

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Jade Lily
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10-08-2005 07:28
Replied here.
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Salazar Jack
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10-08-2005 12:25
From: Torley Torgeson

...I once had this experience, submitting a rather complex composition to a classical music contest full of snobs. O, how I rambled on about the psychological dissonance of the augmented 4th and the neo-Rachmaninoffian tenets of clustered chords founded on the supertonic! Notice how the inverted triad juxtaposted against the syncopated ostinatos generates anxiety, a subtle homage to the grandiose, pomp virtuosity of Liszt! Thrill in how the modulated arpeggios are neither too allegro nor rubato, yet retain their Debussyesque legato glissandos while changing key signature moving into the recapitulation of the exposition!

MEH! What all that really amounted to was me, going up to the grand piano, banging keys randomly, bowing stiffly, and collecting my prize. :D


I think this was the same contest that I lost with my composition that was based on the Hugh Simon theory.

What is the Hugh Simon theory you ask?

It is the theory that the 16th and 17th century composers developed a uniform scale platform based upon the intervals utilised in the mountaineer yodel.

(Contrary to belief, this theory was not developed in Neualtenburg first!)
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Hiro Pendragon
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10-11-2005 00:30
I'm extremely pleased Relay for Life won, because it's such a groundbreaking happening and a real true example of a public space for a "MMORPG PUBLIC SPACE DESIGN COMPETITION".
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Satchmo Prototype
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10-13-2005 13:35
If you want the rest of the world and probably even the judges to hear your views on this contest, post a comment to this Terranova article.

The judges made it clear how unimpressed they were with us...
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Maxx Monde
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10-13-2005 17:07
Thanks satchmo, I crossposted my disappointment :)
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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10-13-2005 17:26
From: Maxx Monde
Thanks satchmo, I crossposted my disappointment :)
That was a great reply, Maxx.

The only thing worse to me than having them judge the contest on their own criteria instead of the published criteria, was their disdainful comments.

~Ulrika~
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10-13-2005 18:01
From: Ulrika Zugzwang

The only thing worse to me then having them judge the contest on their own criteria instead of the published criteria, was their disdainful comments.


Yea the disdain was killing me.

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Lordfly Digeridoo
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10-13-2005 18:53
I threw in my post on Terra Nova.

The stroking beards there probably won't deign to read them over (as we have no "real" experience talking about VWs), but it's good to vent on a public space.

Hah, maybe they should have entered terranova as an entrant? Public space, shifting paradigms, and all that.

Virtual, too!

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