Oh sorry... I've been up all night, I've had a shit day, and I wasn't sure if I should be saying what I said... out loud anyway...
I checked the past posts, I agreed with you. Oh well, too late now.
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
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08-06-2006 15:52
I checked the past posts, I agreed with you. Oh well, too late now. _____________________
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Fade Languish
I just build stuff...
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08-06-2006 15:54
I check the past posts, I agreed with you. Oh well, too late now. I'm sure there'll be another chance  _____________________
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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08-06-2006 15:56
It does filter those names out. To quote from the current info on the SLStats.com "How it works" page: At regular intervals (usually every 5 minutes) the watch script sends your name, key, location (including region name, position, rotation and velocity), the current time, the time passed since the last update, and a list of residents you've met to this web site. How does it know who you've met? Every 5 seconds it scans an area of 20 meters (30 meters before version 1.  for people, so that means anybody who's in regular chat range counts.Not one word there about it filtering out anyone who is within scanning range of a watch wearer who is not a subscriber. It says explicitly "anybody who's in regular chat range counts". _____________________
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Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
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08-06-2006 15:57
I used a alt and traveled to the location where to get this watch. The owner was there talking to people. I put on the watch then logged in to the site. I don't see any reason to cause a fuss over this. O.o Perhaps i'm missing some info... Now if it records your location and sets up a indicator on some map, and allows you to travel there, THEN i would be ticked.
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
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08-06-2006 15:58
I used a alt and traveled to the location where to get this watch. The owner was there talking to people. I put on the watch then logged in to the site. I don't see any reason to cause a fuss over this. O.o Perhaps i'm missing some info... Now if it records your location and sets up a indicator on some map, and allows you to travel there, THEN i would be ticked. *points to his sig*  _____________________
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
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08-06-2006 16:06
I used a alt and traveled to the location where to get this watch. The owner was there talking to people. I put on the watch then logged in to the site. I don't see any reason to cause a fuss over this. O.o Perhaps i'm missing some info... Now if it records your location and sets up a indicator on some map, and allows you to travel there, THEN i would be ticked. So Yiffy, you're OK with having the name of every griefer that gets within 20 meters of you listed as one of your friends? You're happy to tell anyone and everyone how many hours you're logged on each day of the week? I thought you had more sense than that. Don't wear that spying contraption anywhere near me, Yiffy. I've opted out, but I don't want your 'harmless toy' collecting data on any of my friends. _____________________
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Jon Rolland
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Join date: 3 Oct 2005
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08-06-2006 16:09
Data can be filtered easily with watch 'handshake' between owner of scanning watch and the scanned person, before they are sent to destination. No response from contact's watch, they are either not part of program or decided to not use their watch for whatever reason. I mean, this is frickin' basics. Even dong attachment makers know how to do that? :/ Not one word there about it filtering out anyone who is within scanning range of a watch wearer who is not a subscriber. It says explicitly "anybody who's in regular chat range counts". Yes I'm sure the filtering is done on the side of his server. Filtering on LL's side or a handshake... Hell even I wear a radar. Either of these options is adding more lag to everyone's scripts just to avoid A his script seeing you at all or B his script doing the filtering on his side where it doesn't impact the scripting cycles available to other scripts in the sim. IMO the important thing isn't whether his sensors pick you up. Tons of sensors are picking you up all the time I guarentee you that. It's what he does with the data after it's recieved that matters. |
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Jesse Malthus
OMG HAX!
Join date: 21 Apr 2006
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08-06-2006 16:13
So Yiffy, you're OK with having the name of every griefer that gets within 20 meters of you listed as one of your friends? You're happy to tell anyone and everyone how many hours you're logged on each day of the week? I thought you had more sense than that. Don't wear that spying contraption anywhere near me, Yiffy. I've opted out, but I don't want your 'harmless toy' collecting data on any of my friends. This isn't directed at me, but I'm meddlesom, so: The friends feature only works if you spend >1hr around someone. Also, it's limited to a certain number of people on that list, so the bottom gets cur off when you sepnd more time with people. Personaly, this makes me want to create my own SLStats just for me, and have it detect everyone that I encounter and post it on a website. And how is how many hours you've logged on data that you shouldn't let people see? For me, it was actualy a wakeup call for how much time I was spending not IRL. _____________________
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08-06-2006 16:13
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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08-06-2006 16:13
So Yiffy, you're OK with having the name of every griefer that gets within 20 meters of you listed as one of your friends? You're happy to tell anyone and everyone how many hours you're logged on each day of the week? I thought you had more sense than that. Don't wear that spying contraption anywhere near me, Yiffy. I've opted out, but I don't want your 'harmless toy' collecting data on any of my friends. Cerra, ovbiously you haven't seen the site since it updated. You would have to be around the griefer for an hour for it to count as a friend, and it would say that you were around him for an hour. Also, you would also have to be wearing the watch for it to list you as a friend now. Also, please stop posting complaints here until you test the new system (with your main or alt). _____________________
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Joannah Cramer
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Join date: 12 Apr 2006
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08-06-2006 16:15
Filtering on LL's side or a handshake... Hell even I wear a radar. Either of these options is adding more lag to everyone's scripts just to avoid A his script seeing you at all or B his script doing the filtering on his side where it doesn't impact the scripting cycles available to other scripts in the sim. Nah, in this particular case suspect replacing the chat range sensor sweep currently being done with a 'query-answer(s)' scheme on specific channel (which covers the same chat range) ... could actually remove some of the current load rather than add to it. So that's two birds with one stone if anything. |
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Jon Rolland
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08-06-2006 16:23
Nah, in this particular case suspect replacing the chat range sensor sweep currently being done with a 'query-answer(s)' scheme on specific channel (which covers the same chat range) ... could actually remove some of the current load rather than add to it. So that's two birds with one stone if anything. You suspect? |
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Joannah Cramer
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08-06-2006 16:28
You suspect? Yes because i don't have access to SL source code to verify it, sorry. But with typical approach it'd be more taxing to test objects within certain radius of 3d space (current situation) than it'd be to trigger a few listen events in otherwise unused channel (suggested alternative) |
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Jon Rolland
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08-06-2006 16:29
Yes because i don't have access to SL source code to verify it, sorry. But with typical approach it'd be more taxing to test objects within certain radius of 3d space than it'd be to trigger a few listen events in otherwise unused channel. Jump into an unused sim with a few alts/volunteers and test it. |
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Joannah Cramer
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08-06-2006 16:47
Jump into an unused sim with a few alts/volunteers and test it. Sadly if it was *this* simple, being SL has been around for few years by now, there would be at least a few good sources of such info to draw from, no? Instead best you can go by is still highly vague info from scripting Wiki and such. Testing in unused sim doesn't indicate performance in regular (or stressed) environment with its share of bottlenecks, and determining impact of small scale scripts in such environment in turn becomes difficult (especially when i don't own a sim and don't get access to tools that could actually help) I'll put it on the list of "things to have a stab at, eventually" but am not expecting anything useful from it, really. |
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
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08-06-2006 16:58
Nimrod, at this point all I have to go on is what the owner of SLStats.com has posted on his website. And that website clearly says that he collects data on everyone within 20 meters of the watch. Everyone. Not just watch wearers.
If in fact he has scaled back his overly-agressive and intrusive data capturing, and if in fact the site now ONLY collects and displays information on other watch wearers, then he should CLEARLY SAY SO on his site. I would have no further complaints with him if this is in fact the case. So far, I have seen no proof that he has stopped scanning and collecting data on individuals who do not choose to wear his watch, and his own website says that he DOES collect such data on every person in a 20 meter radius of a watch wearer. I have already opted out with every account that I possess, and I have no intention of making a new one just to test a service that I want to be no part of. I did look through his site quite carefully before he locked it down, and read everything he posted on how it works. I still do not consent to having my avatar's names listed as either 'friends' or even 'residents this person encountered' merely because some stranger walked by me with a scanner on his wrist. _____________________
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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08-06-2006 17:00
Nimrod, at this point all I have to go on is what the owner of SLStats.com has posted on his website. And that website clearly says that he collects data on everyone within 20 meters of the watch. Everyone. Not just watch wearers. If in fact he has scaled back his overly-agressive and intrusive data capturing, and if in fact the site now ONLY collects and displays information on other watch wearers, then he should CLEARLY SAY SO on his site. I would have no further complaints with him if this is in fact the case. So far, I have seen no proof that he has stopped scanning and collecting data on individuals who do not choose to wear his watch, and his own website says that he DOES collect such data on every person in a 20 meter radius of a watch wearer. I have already opted out with every account that I possess, and I have no intention of making a new one just to test a service that I want to be no part of. I did look through his site quite carefully before he locked it down, and read everything he posted on how it works. I still do not consent to having my avatar's names listed as either 'friends' or even 'residents this person encountered' merely because some stranger walked by me with a scanner on his wrist. It doesn't matter if you complain, he doesn't have to change anything. He chose to, he didn't have to. He has not broken the TOS either. _____________________
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Kalia Meiklejohn
You make me itch
Join date: 20 Jun 2006
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08-06-2006 17:09
Yesterday, as a non-user I could check my stats.
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Wrom Morrison
Validated User
Join date: 15 Apr 2006
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08-06-2006 17:14
Yesterday, as a non-user I could check my stats. Today, its a no go. Is it a response to everything going on? Buy a watch if you want to check your stats. Simple. |
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Chronic Skronski
SL Live Musician
Join date: 23 Jun 2006
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08-06-2006 17:19
That's not a sentence, and makes no sense. Try again. Good to see you back, chuckles. You wait 21 pages and then you make an attack on the grammar of the original post, contributing absolutely nothing intelligent. Good ole' Merlyn. And to Mark, if indeed you have changed this to opt-in only and if people without a watch are not tracked (even if they don't opt-out), then you have done the right thing. Thank you. _____________________
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Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
Join date: 15 Dec 2005
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08-06-2006 17:49
If in fact he has scaled back his overly-agressive and intrusive data capturing, and if in fact the site now ONLY collects and displays information on other watch wearers, then he should CLEARLY SAY SO on his site. I would have no further complaints with him if this is in fact the case. So far, I have seen no proof that he has stopped scanning and collecting data on individuals who do not choose to wear his watch, and his own website says that he DOES collect such data on every person in a 20 meter radius of a watch wearer. I have already opted out with every account that I possess, and I have no intention of making a new one just to test a service that I want to be no part of. I did look through his site quite carefully before he locked it down, and read everything he posted on how it works. I still do not consent to having my avatar's names listed as either 'friends' or even 'residents this person encountered' merely because some stranger walked by me with a scanner on his wrist. Hes locked down his site and rmoved all his contact details etc but thank god for google cache  http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:WUYjGdy5M70J:slstats.com/+&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1To me its not about wether he has truely broken the TOS as they can be re written on the fly to sort ne problems LL may face, but what is this site gonna be in the future, i predict based on the fact they have removed all contact details from the site and the fact they hide the domain behind a proxy service, legit companies dont do that imho, and then used an opt out method to start with, a can of tinned meat appears before me and yes the taste of spam starts to form in my mouth But then thats just my honest appraisal of the situation and im not naieve enuff to believe hes doing it for the good of SL because of the way he started and then treated the residents in the forums when they questioned it and the fact LL has given him such a rousing start into the forums, but then LL is there to make money not to please us Its so great to see the subject get a good airing and great debate Peace _____________________
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Angellina Summers
Registered User
Join date: 17 Apr 2006
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One simple question
08-06-2006 17:58
There are sims islands that are hidden -- by choice-- http://slstats.com/sims/browse/
shows a listing of sims. Is there a possibility that some of these are no longer hidden? |
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,146
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08-06-2006 18:04
Hes locked down his site and rmoved all his contact details etc but thank god for google cache http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:WUYjGdy5M70J:slstats.com/+&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1To me its not about wether he has truely broken the TOS as they can be re written on the fly to sort ne problems LL may face, but what is this site gonna be in the future, i predict based on the fact they have removed all contact details from the site and the fact they hide the domain behind a proxy service, legit companies dont do that imho, and then used an opt out method to start with, a can of tinned meat appears before me and yes the taste of spam starts to form in my mouth But then thats just my honest appraisal of the situation and im not naieve enuff to believe hes doing it for the good of SL because of the way he started and then treated the residents in the forums when they questioned it and the fact LL has given him such a rousing start into the forums, but then LL is there to make money not to please us Its so great to see the subject get a good airing and great debate Peace I wouldn't blame him for removing it. If you have a problem, why not contact him in-world? _____________________
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crucial Armitage
Clothing Designer
Join date: 30 Aug 2004
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08-06-2006 18:04
this sounds kool I am getting a watch to night
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Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
Join date: 15 Dec 2005
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08-06-2006 18:05
There are sims islands that are hidden -- by choice-- http://slstats.com/sims/browse/ shows a listing of sims. Is there a possibility that some of these are no longer hidden? Did they go to his store and opt out tho?? but again he dosent seem to worry what he does here by the looks of the past track record so i doubt he has considered the sim owners here either but i i would love to think i am wrong on this assumpution but im sure the odds for that wont be high Peace _____________________
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