'Impeach Bush' Signs - Solution?
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Panther Farber
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11-27-2005 20:39
From: Hank Ramos Taking bets on when this thread will be closed...  oh im sure we could speed up the closing of this thread. how about we all start using bush in a sexual way. like saying "i would love to lick Bush" which could be taken as me wanting to beat him in some kind of competition or me wanting to well you know.
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Sherrade Stirling
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11-28-2005 15:06
Anyone living near these signs take a look at this: /invalid_link.htmlIt might be worth filing those abuse reports.
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Ron Overdrive
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11-28-2005 15:19
Yeah we saw that post before, just look at the previous page. We've been sending in the abuse reports and I'm gonna be sending out another one tonight when I get home from work after I do a prim count of the 3 walls that blocked in his signs near my club. This way LL can see how much of a arsehole this guy is. I'm gonna make it as detailed as possible with the parcel locations and snap shots. I'm also gonna visit a few other locations as well to build up the evidence against him. Maybe if we make one big file and send it to LL they'll be able to act quicker. Also I'm gonna check the leader boards just to see how much he's making off his extortion plots so LL can look and see how much of that has been sold on LindeX. He seems to proud to even think of selling his L elsewhere to cover himself, but even then there's logs to see who he transfers money to.
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Sherrade Stirling
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11-28-2005 15:24
(I deleted my post referring to the hotline when i realized it was a repeat of info)
I found one half blocking a linden road the other day and I couldn't hit the Abuse button fast enough.
I don't have any near me but just flying around and seeing them affecting peoples' homes and busineses just makes me sad. I hope they get a lot of abuse reports, that alone should help them make a decision.
As far as a neighbor having an "ugly" build, that is in a totally different league from this guy and Lindens will be smart enough to know the difference and will hopefully come up with a solution.
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Jake Reitveld
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11-28-2005 16:10
Impeach Bush Solutions?
Just do it.
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Felicity Sneerwell
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11-28-2005 16:25
Everyone is entitled to their political opinions about whomever is the current President, etc. However, I didn't appreciate logging in one day to find two signs hovering over a property that is for sale adjacent to my property with these obnoxious signs. I checked it out, obviously, and this person had a itty bitty piece of land that they are selling for $20K linden. I am not about to pay that much to get rid of something that is obstructing my view. It does feel like this person is trying to take advantage of those of us that don't want to continually look at these obnoxious signs more than they are trying to make a political stand. But hey, that's my own opnion 
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Jake Reitveld
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11-28-2005 16:30
From: Felicity Sneerwell Everyone is entitled to their political opinions about whomever is the current President, etc. However, I didn't appreciate logging in one day to find two signs hovering over a property that is for sale adjacent to my property with these obnoxious signs. I checked it out, obviously, and this person had a itty bitty piece of land that they are selling for $20K linden. I am not about to pay that much to get rid of something that is obstructing my view. It does feel like this person is trying to take advantage of those of us that don't want to continually look at these obnoxious signs more than they are trying to make a political stand. But hey, that's my own opnion  Well yes. But I am not feeling that serious. 
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Krazzora Zaftig
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11-28-2005 17:33
Wasn't there a guy banned a few months back for posting political (granted nationalistic) builds? Wouldn't this fall under the same thing?
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Ron Overdrive
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11-29-2005 06:53
If anyone's visited the main SL site this morning, as of 9:10 EST a pic of one of these signs is show overflowing onto Govener Linden's property. Also I took a look at the extortion plots by my home, he added a few 0's to his price tags. What was 2000L - 4000L is now 20000L - 40000L totalling up to 110,000L. Ya know what, if Laz is listening right now your signs are boxed in entirely and I'm more than willing to remove my wall for 125,000L. 
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Akasha Dana
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11-29-2005 07:08
Ok I'm Back... Holidays suck lol.... well thanks to someone taking a email pic and it being on the front page I have a perfect example, you will also notice just how close this bush sign is to this persons business, and our lil buddy is selling this 32m for 10k... notice how much he is encroaching on to LL land LOL http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/harassment2.jpg Ok heres some advice, to anyone affected.. take screenshots, not using the snapshot within the game, use printscreen and paste in paint. but right click on the land and take a shot of the price he is selling it at and get whatever info you can. Save the pics please you might need these. Business owners keep track of the loss of revenue. Most of all NO ONE buy this land. I will be posting a link for anyone who HAS bought the land in the next few days if LL doesnt do something soon 
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Scarlett Fonzarelli
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11-29-2005 09:30
I, too, have had these signs hovering over my property. Well, at least two of them. I just called a Linden to come and take care of them. He did, and now they are gone. I have seen land prices soar to unbelievable amounts, and I have to wonder. Are they really as greedy in RL as they are in SL?
Oh well. I don't buy land for ungodly amounts. I can't afford to. Sounds like someone's got a good little scam going, though. If you don't want to buy the land....and I totally agree with you there....calling a Linden is a better solution.
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Ron Overdrive
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11-29-2005 19:28
I've finally started recieving replies to my abuse reports stating that it has been taken care of, one wasn't totally automated either as the reply address was Michael Linden. However I have one problem, nothing has shown up in the Police Blotter regarding this (all my AR's were done on my land and so far I've seen nothing regarding my sim). Makes me wonder if the guys in the AR Department are just putting our AR's in the recycle bin instead of actually doing anything.
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Aurael Neurocam
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11-29-2005 21:30
From: Ron Overdrive I've finally started recieving replies to my abuse reports stating that it has been taken care of, one wasn't totally automated either as the reply address was Michael Linden. However I have one problem, nothing has shown up in the Police Blotter regarding this (all my AR's were done on my land and so far I've seen nothing regarding my sim). Makes me wonder if the guys in the AR Department are just putting our AR's in the recycle bin instead of actually doing anything. I've filed 3 AR's over time, and none of them have shown up in the blotter.. and one that I know of should have, since the offender showed up in the forums asking "why me?"
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Sherrade Stirling
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12-12-2005 10:13
I'm really very saddened by this recent Linden response to this issue /invalid_link.html
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blaze Spinnaker
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12-12-2005 10:20
Well, take heart, Lazarus Divine (owner of these plots) still isn't showing up in the find people tab.
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Issarlk Chatnoir
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12-12-2005 10:25
From: Ingrid Ingersoll He was selling a parcel in Brown for 3000L 64m. He had a massive sign up AND a spinning cube on it. When Jack Linden removed the sign and cube (zoning rules) he almost immediately lowered his price to 500L for the plot.
Conclusion: his method of extortion was removed, and he realized that his land would not sell for 3000L without it, so he lowered his price.
Let's not confuse land extortion with political activism. Conclusion: his message could not be shown on this land and so he set it to a price which would allow it to be sold to get rid of it ; instead of the high price used to discourage people from buying it while still appearing in land searches. Reality is not automaticaly what you think it is. My conclusion is equally valid ; are there two realities?
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Sherrade Stirling
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12-12-2005 11:47
From: blaze Spinnaker Well, take heart, Lazarus Divine (owner of these plots) still isn't showing up in the find people tab. Hmmm, that is good news. Thanks for cheering me up lol I'll hope for the best.
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Daz Honey
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12-12-2005 12:14
From: Sherrade Stirling Do ya really want to go there?  I'm not a Bush fan, let's make that PERFECTLY clear. My point is, these signs are not going to change anyone's mind - if anything they may work in the opposite manner, and turn people off of the cause/message because of the way it is being shoved down the throats of everyone in SL in a griefing manner. (just adding a 2 linden cent'r in here) 'Normal' people thought that the 'over the top' protests for civil rights were 'griefing' too, now it is accepted as what had to be done. Sometime it DOES have to be shoved down our throats, and people DO change their minds or women would never have been able able to vote etc. Changing the zeitgeist is generally an uncomfortable process.
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Psyra Extraordinaire
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12-12-2005 12:31
Linking stuff doesn't seem to work for getting people's attention. It's easier to just post the Linden responses right here:
Robin Linden: "Putting signs up on your property, even unpopular signs, is not a violation of the community standards. As long as those signs are fully within the property of the landowner, he is allowed to keep them up."
Pathfinder Linden: "Everyone in SL has the freedom to build whatever they like on their own land (as long as it is within the landowner's parcel and not violating the Community Standards). That's a freedom we feel is vital to supporting the range of interests and creativity of all Residents."
With that said, unfortunately apparently all we can do about it is blow steam and wait for our threads to be locked.
Hopefully the vanishing of Laz from the grid means the plots may default soon.
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Alain Talamasca
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12-12-2005 12:33
From: Daz Honey (just adding a 2 linden cent'r in here)
'Normal' people thought that the 'over the top' protests for civil rights were 'griefing' too, now it is accepted as what had to be done.
Sometime it DOES have to be shoved down our throats, and people DO change their minds or women would never have been able able to vote etc.
Changing the zeitgeist is generally an uncomfortable process. If he REALLY wants to change the zeitgeist, he could find a more effective medium to do it in than SL. We have a grand total of how many people in SL?? And how many of our grand total are actually US Citizens (The supposed target of his appeal)? And how many wouldn't rather kiss a live cobra than touch anything that even SMACKS of politics. Of those left, how many actually don't SUPPORT Bush and his totalitarian regime? Of those persons remaining, it is not only preaching to the choir, it is bashing them in the head with the Good Book as well. Sure! That encourages ME to support his platform. Gag me with politics in the one forum I have where I can possibly, possibly get away from them for a few hours. Yeah... that makes a LOT of sense in a the Real World. Newsflash! Politics is not just about getting a message out. It is about putting out a message in such a way that what you are suggesting is actually likely to get DONE! He does FINE on the first half, but the second half is a total failure. And the fact that he says he doesn't CARE what people think of him or his message shows it is not politically motivated at all... He's just virtual loudmouth that doesn't particularly care about the results of his process... he just wants to hear his own ego shouting.
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Sherrade Stirling
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12-13-2005 05:59
From: Alain Talamasca If he REALLY wants to change the zeitgeist, he could find a more effective medium to do it in than SL. Agreed. Seriously - If they were tasteful signs on the ground with a notecard with information on exactly what one can do to help his cause or more information on the cause - that would be great! Give information, hold events and meetings. Don't grief the community! Useful information about the cause he promotes is clearly not his main agenda.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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12-13-2005 06:34
I find dropping my draw distance tends to make impeach bush signs dissapear
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Hank Ramos
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12-13-2005 15:51
Yeah, LL, remove these damn signs already!
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Hank Ramos
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12-13-2005 15:58
I say that everyone should send in Abuse Reports for every single sign until the LL Abuse Department screams uncle! 
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Krazzora Zaftig
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12-13-2005 16:38
From: Hank Ramos I say that everyone should send in Abuse Reports for every single sign until the LL Abuse Department screams uncle!  Better yet. If we get landmarks to every single sign, P2P to them, abuse report each one. Then grab another avie, rinse, repeat, lather.
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