'Impeach Bush' Signs - Solution?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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11-15-2005 08:17
From: Ellie Edo Have I missed something? The signs I have seen don't flash or rotate. They are less objectionable than about half the appalling (to me) builds which people so cherish.
He put them round the preview grid, where no profit was possible.
His motivation MAY be other than he says, but I see no evidence sufficient to prove it.
. He was selling a parcel in Brown for 3000L 64m. He had a massive sign up AND a spinning cube on it. When Jack Linden removed the sign and cube (zoning rules) he almost immediately lowered his price to 500L for the plot. Conclusion: his method of extortion was removed, and he realized that his land would not sell for 3000L without it, so he lowered his price. Let's not confuse land extortion with political activism.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-15-2005 08:50
From: Ingrid Ingersoll Let's not confuse land extortion with political activism.
Exactly - it is a shame that an extremely valid and important political message is being exploited in this manner just to get money.
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Jamie Bergman
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11-15-2005 08:58
From: Cristiano Midnight Exactly - it is a shame that an extremely valid and important political message is being exploited in this manner just to get money. I do not support his methods, but he is well within the bounds of making a capitalistic living. In fact, some would argue he's a case study in niche-ing.
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Kevn Klein
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11-15-2005 09:02
From: Ellie Edo Have I missed something? The signs I have seen don't flash or rotate. They are less objectionable than about half the appalling (to me) builds which people so cherish.
He put them round the preview grid, where no profit was possible.
His motivation MAY be other than he says, but I see no evidence sufficient to prove it.
If he is willing to sell at high price, that could be simple rationality. These tiny plots are hard to find, and expensive to buy anyway. At a price high enough to allow him to leverage his coverage, ie gain at least five more for each one sold, this could be perfectly consistent with his aims.
I'm not saying I know what his motivation is, just that I see no firm evidence either way. What he is doing is within the TOS, and no worse than lots around SL.
If you wish to ban political advertising, or impose a minimum plot size, then propose these to LL. That is the way to proceed. Jeepers, you should see the eyesores I've tolerated next to me. Completely purposeless and never visited. At least these signs have a point and a purpose, even if it's one you dislike.
Nixon DID get impeached, didn't he? It's not impossible. And here we are discussing it, because of the signs. I agree with this post completely. Also, I'd like to add the fact Clinton was also impeached because people argued the point he deserved it.
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Alain Talamasca
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11-15-2005 09:16
From: Jamie Bergman I do not support his methods, but he is well within the bounds of making a capitalistic living. In fact, some would argue he's a case study in niche-ing. And like most narrow habitat parasites, when the resource flow dries up, he wil perish. I still say don't purchase any more of his land and let him choke on his own tier payments.
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Jamie Bergman
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11-15-2005 09:18
From: Alain Talamasca And like most narrow habitat parasites, when the resource flow dries up, he wil perish.
I still say don't purchase any more of his land and let him choke on his own tier payments. Yes, this is the proper capitalistic response. Well done!
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Ranma Tardis
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11-15-2005 16:07
All of this nonsense with the signs brings out my dark side. I play SL to get away from problems. Politics, please leave them at the door! Maybe there should be a area where this nonsense is not only allowed but encouraged. Call it a Politis rating, people would have fair warning about its contents.
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Akasha Dana
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11-16-2005 06:39
I dont reply very often in these forums, but this topic really has me very pissed. He has taken a very sensitive issue and used it for his own personal gain. Not only has he dragged other members into his group, but he has dragged all of SL into this political mess. As I hope all of you can see, this is NOT about Bush.. this is about him making money, extortion.. misrepresentation.. He has bought over 100 little plots, stuck hideous monsterous signs up (and no it's NOT the political message) it could say Impeach fluffy the wonderous hamster in bright pink with the screaming sound and rotating for all I care.. What bothers me is this http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/Impeach.jpg yes I whited out the location and name involved although we all know who it is  You know theres a vacant lot for sale next to my house in r/l between me and my neighbor, I wonder if I should buy it and stick a HUGE sign up and force him to buy it for an exorbitant amount, think I can get away with it? So when are the Lindens gonna step in?? This is a violation of the TSO, behavior guidlines.. We need to come together as a whole and demand something be done.... jeesh i sneeze wrong in here I get an email warning within hours  put the ping pong paddles down guys and do your jobs !!!!!
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Hiro Pendragon
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11-16-2005 06:43
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Siobhan Taylor
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11-16-2005 07:12
From: Akasha Dana This is a violation of the TSO, behavior guidlines.. I think it's in violation of the SL guidelines too...  Sorry... I know what you're saying but I couldn't resist that line.
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Sherrade Stirling
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11-16-2005 14:28
If you want to get an idea of how man plots this person has, or how much they are charging (wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too much) go to the Land Sales tab and sort by size with smallest plots on top. The amount of plots named "Impeach Bush" is crazy and they are all for sale at unbelievable prices.
This is a sad trend that I see being copied now by other landscrap barons. You can see the copycats popping up in this list as well.
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Grahm Eccleston
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11-16-2005 14:47
Honestly I actually voted for Bush and would do so again in a heartbeat.. I have no problem with this guy putting up his signs no matter if I agree with them or not. Hmmm..and liberals call us Conservatives close minded... I bet if the next president is a liberal and I put up a bunch of signs calling for his/her impeachment there will be a bunch of you crying just as loud. Anyway, let him put up the stupid signs...there will still be no impeachment. He did nothing criminal such as lie in court....
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Ron Overdrive
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11-16-2005 21:33
Yeah and this is what happens if you fight him... and how I fight back. This guy saw that I put a few of my "Impeach Land Extortioners" signs on a few plots I own some wich are for sale. Originally this wall CrystalShard built as an experiement was a bit smaller and covered up the original 3 signs that were there. My wall has now grown to the size of a 2 story building wich is 2x the size of my club (luckly my home is 700m above this mess). He purposely bought the rest of the land plots in that spot and began putting up the signs above and around my wall so I was forced yet again to waste my valuable prims to exspand my wall to cover up the rest of the mess. This is now harassment since the signs are obviously being aimed at me and my legitamate business. To further add to the harassment he IM's me while I'm working a freelance gig ridiculing my signs and tried to prove to me how unamerican I am. Well needless to say once I told him my political views he shutup real quick. This guy is a smug SOB who needs to know his his place. Maybe after the lindens get a few hundred of these abuse reports they'll do something about him like what I heard they did in the preview.
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Akasha Dana
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11-17-2005 06:56
Oh Siobhan it had been one (censored) of a morning when I wrote that post LOL first i ment TOS hehehe and glad u knew what i ment... anyways heres another in my travels that I found http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/new32.jpg Hey lets all make a HUGE sign that says BANCRUPT Linden labs, buy a bunch of 32m plots and throw em all over the place, bet that would be delt with quick!! Oh I think I heard a ping pong paddle get thrown down  Come on guys, this is harassment for alot of the residents here, extortion, and against your rules. And your not doing anything about it?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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11-17-2005 06:59
LL needs to find a way to close the loophole that allows people to do this. In the mean time, I think anyone who sees one of these things should abuse report it. Maybe if LL is flooded with reports, they'll realize it's a bit of a problem.
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CrystalShard Foo
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11-17-2005 07:03
Can you list any additional locations where these signs can be found please?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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11-17-2005 07:06
From: CrystalShard Foo Can you list any additional locations where these signs can be found please?
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Ron Overdrive
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11-17-2005 13:20
Yeah lets give CrystalShard the locations of the plots so she can build you guys walls to block them from your view.
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Les White
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11-17-2005 13:50
This bottom feeder has 6 or 7 micro lots in Yora.
/edit. The boxes go over his land bounds. I intend to file an AR for the lindies to ignore.
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Aprilia Bunnyhug
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11-17-2005 17:06
there are signs next to my land in Hughes and its ugly so i put up a nice snowy mountain wall and on the other side i said it is rude to do that next to peoples houses. i cant see it any more so that is good for me but it takes up 8 prims on my 512 land that is a lot. 8(
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Ron Overdrive
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11-17-2005 17:27
From: Les White This bottom feeder has 6 or 7 micro lots in Yora.
/edit. The boxes go over his land bounds. I intend to file an AR for the lindies to ignore. I've reported him for this and harassment. EDIT: worst of all these things are hurting property values as well. Who wants to build a home or business with those things surrounding them? This is actually gonna be hurting the economy REAL quick because new subscribers aren't gonna wanna live around those things and current subscribers are gonna go poor buying them out to be rid of them. If anything landbarrons should be the most furious because these things are detering sales and if they wanna buy land and be able to resell it they'll have to buy those plots forcing them to charge insanely high prices no one will touch to recoup losses or take the hit and opperate at a loss.
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Akasha Dana
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11-17-2005 19:54
*sighs* well I been flying around for an hour now taking screen shots and grabbing landmarks.. oh and Hi Crystal hon huggss LTNS .. tell ya who i am later lol.. here we go... WOW did I find a HUGE case of HARASSMENT... tsk tsk tsk.. I will start with that one.. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/Mullett71137.jpg I went here he has a total of 5 plots for an amount adding up to$5500 the coordinates are Mullett (71, 137) Then i went over to http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/Ess151204.jpgand Lo and behold he had the same persons plots that they are using for prims surrounded *gasps* smelled a little fishy to me .. here are those coordinates Ess (151, 204) So i thought hmmm while im on this track I might as well go over to this persons club and check it on out and see what the dealio is is... And what do my eyes see when i get there but a MASSIVE tower of of BUSH signs.. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/Whitestone20564.jpgcoordinates are here... Whitestone (205, 64) so on the happy little Bush trail I go..(shuddup pervies) . see all the Harrasment along the path... my mind goes wandering... now a clever lil redhead that I am, I begin to think. Scarey I know  Im thinking hmmm Lindens are worth real money, and they even now offer an exchange for real money for there lindens... and they are allowing extortion... and they are allowing this type of behavior? hmmm... *picks up phone* ...I would like to know do they read this forum??? i have lots more landmarks , screenshots.. and Im pms'n i will post some more picks.. the name of the pic is the coordinate.. im sure ya all can figure it out, if not it isnt white out at the top anymore cause at this point i dont give a crud http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/Montezuma218235.jpghttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/ku2.jpghttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/Ess151204.jpghttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/Heaton11862.jpghttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/AkashaDana/InfoNetUplinkHub.jpg
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Ron Overdrive
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11-17-2005 20:49
Heh, I noticed someone was using Jonny's old stoplandextortion signs before I convinced him to make it more TOS friendly and directed at anyone who extorts land. I have a few up on the land plots I sell. I've listed them at outragous prices with a message in the Description and a For Sale sign that tell people to IM me to reserve the plots at a much lower price. This way if any extortionists wish to censor me they'll be forced to be at the recieving end of thier own game (prices ranging like 1000 - 2000L per 64m2 when they're really being sold for 495L). I have a right to sell my land for whatever I want to who ever I want. So if anyone else needs extra prims I'll hook them up, but land extortionists will be paying out the arse. Honestly I should have just bought the plot next to the ones he bought off me earlier today, put the whole plot up subdived into smaller exspensive plots with my signs on them after what he did to me. I've also noticed he enjoys coming around my home/business from all the IM's I get from my security system.
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Maczter Oddfellow
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11-18-2005 01:04
The worst example I've seen is around Gourdneck (33, 200) or so.
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Akasha Dana
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11-18-2005 04:31
AWWW yea poor Jonny, I saw his signs that were crammed down hist throat by this (CENSORED) where gone tho. I guess he bought the plots? hmm maybe we can turn them into cemetary plots, hey anyone got some extra headstones from halloween? pppfffttt I havent seen any action or reaction from the Lindens. I guess there must be a BIG ping pong Turnement in town huh... I think Im gonna make some giant signs that say SATAN LOVES YOU  anyone mind? cause i Luv u all
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