'Impeach Bush' Signs - Solution?

Me and my neighbors just boxed his signs in with our walls. Wish that was end of story but its still effecting my primcount wich is not cool. All because he has a temporary invis script in there doesn't make it all right.

If you ask him, I'm sure he will say that he's making a political statement.

You know what? If that's all it was, I'd say "great". But the fact that every one of those plots is for sale says something to me: your politics has a price.

The Lindens now have taken a position in the Hotline.... now it's up to every neighboring property owner to AR the hell out of this guy until he either gives up or the Lindens tell us to stop.

Again, I'd be okay with it if he took all his lots off the market... at least then, his stand would be clear. As it is, he doesn't look like a political spokesman... he looks like an over-aspring land-baron wannabe.

As much as I don't like some of our land barons, I wouldn't insult them by putting this guy in their league. They're just mimicing RL corporations like Enron, Mircosoft, and Big Oil. This guy is the white guy from the hood who thinks he's a gangsta.

Naturally, the only solution is to impeach Bush.

exactly. That's why I said "wannabe". A real land baron wouldn't stoop to such tactics.

leave the signs alone, ppl against them are also against free speech. this person isn't hurting anyone. price of land up on these parcels is their way of telling you "ya wanna take away my rights, well its gonna cost ya"

let em be, live and let live folks.

the lindens took a stand on this postition. Ok now that is frightening. What the hell is it their business if its not against the tos. Perhaps its really LL that likes President Bush and this is their way of supporting him.

Either way I look at it, I don't think this is a matter for LL and they should keep their noses out of it.

Who is next? what topic is next? If its not against the tos or the community standards then its WRONG for LL to butt in. Mind your business, before you find you have no business to mind.

This will not end well either.

If you could return any object with a bounding box over your land, instead of just ones that have a center on your land, wouldn't this problem go away?

We could just go ahead and Impeach Bush

These Impeach Bush signs are really nothing different from the rotating, bright neon-green FOR SALE signs that have always been permitted in world on the small lots -- with those landowners knowing that the pulsating, glowing color will sooner or later force the nearby landowners to buy them. Nice blackmail business.

Then again, maybe Impeach Bush has some sort of sexual connection to it for the Linden's to get involved, especially if it's in a PG sim.

No, it's another way to spread his "message": by having "impeach bush" show up on the land for sale listing.

Nobody can take away his right to free speech. But by putting a price on his speech, he's as much as saying "I'm happy to shut up if you pay me."

That's not free speech. That's extortion.

I do not think anyone here is against free speech. I personally would not force my dislike for Bush on anyone and I voted against him twice and do not agree with his way of running our country.

I think you are missing the point. This guy is not about tooting his horn to rally people against Bush. It is his excuse to make a profit. How about if someone bought a piece of property in front of your yard and stuck a huge sign up to block your ocean side view than put it up for sale at 10 times or more the real value. What would you do to get rid of that sign? Would you just live with it? Would you pay him what he wants? Would you file a AR?

As far as him hurting anyone, yes he is! He is causing grief for hundreds of people who have to put up with his signs blocking their views and lowering their land values. Even in a new sim a few days old where I was looking for land he already had his signs up. I passed up plenty of nice parcels just because of those signs. I think this hurt the sellers of those lands.

I bet you don't have them cluttering your space yet. Just wait my friend, I'll save a seat for you on the bandwagon.

Once again I must point out this is NOT a political issue NOR is it a free speech issue. This is a conman trying to make a buck by extorting neighboring land owners. LL is taking a position now because they see this isn't a political issue and need more evidence to do something. This guy has done more then just put up signs, he's both verbally and visually harassed those who say anything about his signs he doesn't like. Put up a wall? Prepare for more harassment. Put up your own sign? Prepare for double the harassment.

If I have a 64m2 plot of land for sale with a spinning "for sale" sign priced at 500L, a reasonable fee, is that extortion?

How bout if I put it up for 5000L and make the sign colors that stand out over 300m away?

What if I buy more to build bigger signs right in your front yard?

Or right in front of your place of business so no one can see it?

What if I refuse to take them down and surround your home/business with more just for complaining to me about them or putting up wall to block them?

The best solution, definitely.

Of course, we'd then get "Impeach Cheney"....

It's not just that, I think.

I'm afraid that another problem I expect LL are dealing with is that it could become a slippery slope argument. If there's a precedent that Linden will clean ugly structures off neighbouring land parcels, then why should it stop with Impeach Bush? How long before we reach the situation where someone who buys a land parcel, can't use to work their way up to being a better builder, because their boxy plywood structures keep getting deleted because they aren't such a great builder right now?

Again its not a matter of astetics, its a matter of his business practices that are in question. LL has stated, and I agree, that no one can tell you what you can and can't build on your land.

What he's doing is starting to affect the economy on a small scale wich could potentially rise to a larger scale. People are already being forced to move because of them and are forced to sell all their land cheap just so they can rebuild else where. This is causing land values to decrease in the areas his signs are. Even with cheap prices no one wants to buy land that has his signs all over the place. (Lately I've also noticed he's been taking a liking to buying larger plots, probly land from a neighbor forced to move.)

Businesses are being affected by them because no one wants to be around them or can't find the place because its being blocked by his giant 4 prim signs. They're driving customers away and forcing the business to go under or relocate, again the same issue with land values decreasing.

And to remove these signs to save our investments costs as much as it does to buy a copy of Tringo and maybe a copy of SLingo or Blood 21 depending on the amount of land he owns around your build. I dunno about you, but 15 - 30 grand for a 256m2 when you're at least 500m from a telehub is kinda steep for my wallet, even to save my business and my home.

I know lets all NEG rate them. Oh Nevermind.

I want a sign

Abuse report them and post in the hotline.

I'd suggest emailing [email]philip@lindenlab.com[/email] as well.

This guy is a huge problem.

I don't think a Linden should be allowed to comment on it until they visit all the parcels and personally experience the drop in land prices and vacancies that occur when this guy moves in. I find the completely lack of sensitivity to what's going on here very surprising.

This isn't just griefing, this is 24/7 griefing that doesn't go away.

It's like the Lindens are completely ignoring their customers - the ones that add huge value to their MetaVerse as compared to the one whos just *sucking* the life out of it.

I also think that Robin's excuse that it being a political statement is a little off.

It's PRIM spam is what it is.

I think one plot here or there is OK, but at some point this qualifies as spam.

When you, your neighbors, and people in the neighboring sim put up 2 - 3 story walls I think it officially counts as spam. Don't believe me? Come to the South Eastern most corner of Amida and take a look at our walls.

edit: added a pic to save ya the trip.

I agree. This is spam. Perhaps if everyone AR'd these everytime they see one, LL would get the message.

I am all for freedom of expression, but this is a real problem.

Taking bets on when this thread will be closed...

actually i don't agree with this assessment. if they where smart they wouldn't put up impeach bush signs at a time when bush is loosing support. they would do it when support for bush is at its highest to anger people even more and increase the likeliehood of them buying the land to get rid of the sign. if they where smart they would put up a "dick in 08" sign to piss people off even more.

Yeah, but then it becomes harder to hide behind the political statement remark.

Some people find this believable, and I can see why.

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