Second Hell Tourbus: worst places in SL

I can only answer for myself. I never heard of Infonet until i was at the WA helping new members and saw the terminal..which I guess is how its intended to work.

Funny you should ask. I did IM Squagmire and asked what Infonet was when I saw the terminal and received a note of explanation. I had a few more quesitons about outdated information I saw in the directory that received her reply. But, when I asked about the 'Best of SL" list she logged off without a reply and has not replied since.

This is the concerning part. Very concerning. What else don't they check out carefully enough?

Well I just up and decided to look at this thread and it annoys me(not about the posts but what InfoNet has done).

First and foremost Katt , InfoNet might havebeen around for quite some time now . But in this situation this is wrong. If you put out misinformation in the WA and a new user comes up and sees that such and such's business is in the shit list you wouldn't go there. It places a bad image on business owners whom might be in that list.

There should NOT be "best" and "worst" list in a newb friendly area. Also , the fact that this thing has a worst list might stray possible good content creators away from setting up shop in fear of being on the shit list.

Mark your calanders... I agree with both Anshe and Cocoanut on this topic, as well as Katykiwi and others who have stated that InfoNet does not belong at the hubs, as it is.

I have no problem with InfoNet, its contributors, or its content. I've never paid it any attention at all, except for one browsing-through at the Relay for Life event, which seemed interesting, but I was too lagged to take the whole info-tour-thingy.

Former hubs are a great place to try and inform residents of pertinent news. This is the very thing I suggested to Robin in a notecard after the meeting about what should become of hubs. But..., I think LL is being lazy by not creating their own type of information network that spreads SL and LL news through the community. I wouldn't even have a problem with them using InfoNet, if the other content such as ads and best/worst lists were taken out. This gives a strong impression that the ads and lists are sanctioned by the Lindens, and that's extremely unfair.

The textures displayed on the teen grid by using the keys in theSetTexture(string texture, integer side) function, which can use keys and thus may bypass the need to upload a texture there for display?

I never did get a clear answer on my question about that.

I think it does not matter who the residents are who run InfoNet or why they did this negative listing. Please not bash them further, there is no point. I don't personally know any of them.

The community should stick together and look at Linden Lab, who have all the power. We should really do our best to encourage them to better realize their potential to be one fair and competent goverment.

Sure it's cleaned up. As in the Dione's Designs option is deleted and unavailable, but they were nice enough to leave the name Dione's Designs right there in the script dialogue listing for Second Hell Tourbus.

No, it doesn't really matter who they are. I don't think anyone is bashing them, but more specifically, the LL process that allowed this to happen in the first place. The InfoNet creators didn't seem to mind bashing a resident's business, however, and probably shouldn't be surprised if there is some backlash.

personally I really Like this idea, doesn't have to be any big quest but a way to learn and explore, yeah...I like it!

You could try determining if the area is laggy, then fix the problem if it is. InfoNet would probably re-evaluate the area on polite request.

I did have a disclaimer in my post. My questions did not equate my approval of infoNet being in hubs. I don't like this situation either mainly bc if infoNet is allowed in hubs, M2 vendors and other vendors should be as well.
Any company that is in the business of publishing, no matter what the format, has to be ethical in what they publish. The Second Hell Tourbus is not ethical, and neither is LL in this case.

My curiousity got the best of me. I have been in SL for a couple of years and I have yet to decide for myself which is the "worst of" SL, so I decided to take a look at what Infonet has declared to be the first stop on the Second Hell Tourbus's tour of the "worst of SL."

Infonet has delclared Dione's Design to be the number one worst of SL! What a remarkable determination that was, I really had to take a look at what old Dione was up to. I found 4 Dione's Designs stores, all of which are really quite nice builds. I was so confused about the reasons why this member would be targeted by the Infonet team as the "worst in SL" so I decided to take a look at the Infonet builds. I figued they must be truly remarkable builds if these very nice builds by Dione's Designs were labled the worst of SL.

I found one build by the owner of Infonet and another next to it build by a member who assisted with the compilation of the Second Hell Tourbus: worst of SL.

Here is what I found...and after you take a look perhaps you will agree that giving a member or two the power to ideintify a build as the worst of SL (when it is clearly not,) is so unfair to Dione's Designs and others on the Infonet black list.

Do you think perhaps the Infonet black list might be more related to a personal grudge against those named?

Wow. What a positive message this infonet thing is sending. I'm sure impressed! Just the sort of thing to welcome new users, definitely!

What on earth could poor Dione have done? I have always liked her stores as well, hardly some example of the worst of SL (or even close to the um, edge, of the worst of SL). All these individual blacklists are so inefficient - they really should consolidate.

Incredible pics. In-friggin-credible.

coco

Wow! Did the tour bus miss all those "first land" sims ? That has to be the most disgusting, ugly sight in all of SL ! Guess who's at the top of my "Worse in SL" list.

Q

Bahahahahaha, I'm gonna aim for my build to be the absolute worst!



I mean really now, can't we think of anything more productive to do?

Anshe, this is a great kernel of an idea! maybe a few hundred L$ in lieu of freebie content? or a combination thereof? i wouldn't suggest taking away freebies altogether.. maybe trim down the initial clump (such as high-prim builds) and offer low-prim freebies made by SLers along with L$ as rewards for small missions?

i like the idea of keeping them fairly close to the point of origin, but maybe certain InfoHubs could offer unique, more impressive freebies as a reward for a more complex mission?

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ok, sorry.. let me get back on topic.

i would just like to say i agree. these InfoNet terminals seem to be veering off from the potential good they could have done to something that needs to be completely restructured.
if LL is going to support these nifty little gadgets, i think it would behoove them to have a much bigger role in their use. even if it means hiring a small team to run such a venture. whether it's built on InfoNet technology or they use a unique system is regardless.. just as long as it gets fixed.

honestly, it doesn't matter what the intent was or is.. it doesn't matter what reasoning there is behind the idea ir implementation.. what matters is that it's not working. something has gone wonky and a negative image is coming across. with this in mind, something is wrong and needs to be fixed.

Second Life has always been about existing as a world of freedom, imagination and creativity. dissent, i'm sure, does not fit into the goals of LL. i've always believed that LL try their best to provide the best they can for us.. but sometimes, as humans will do, mis-steps are made. that's fine.. as long as those steps are re-routed into a positive path. i'm sure LL will come to a sane conclusion.. we, the people, just have to make sure they know when somethings awry.


hello? LL? umm.. somethings awry!

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As I've often said, one of the biggest challenges we have is getting information out to people throughout Second Life. No single channel reaches more than perhaps 10% of the residents.

So we use several different choices -- the forums, the message of the day, email. Sometimes Katt and I will chat about an important issue or event for a story in the Metaverse Messenger. But for the most part there isn't any single way to reach a large number of SL residents in-world.

We added InfoNet to our list last summer, and have been working with Squagmire to create a Linden channel so we can have yet another way to get important information out to people. As with any media choice, we don't control the editorial, except for our channel.

In a similar vein, when we give interviews to the Metaverse Messenger we never ask what else will be in the paper, or who's advertising who might benefit. Our goal is to communicate using the options that currently exist.

I don't think we should be dictating editorial policy. We also have links to websites from ours. Many of those sites support themselves by selling resident ads. Some of them offer products for sale that we don't endorse, such as home security systems. Is it unfair that we have those links? Should we stop?

We'd like to provide media outlets the opportunity to place news in WA and other linden areas. Pathfinder set up kiosks on 11/10/05 asking for anyone who wants to participate in newspaper vending 'racks' in the Welcome Area and other Linden land to let him know. So far we've had not one single response. The idea is to provide a variety of news sources in public areas, much like you see on the streets in major cities.

While it's possible no one is interested, my guess is that no one has heard about this idea. Which is why we need more grid wide communication systems like InfoNet. And as those systems proliferate, we'll be able to put together a communications plan that actually reaches more and more residents, using multiple media options.

I'm running in circles. Clicking here and there. It isn't helping. Is there no way for LL to be more proactive in giving us information that is timely? Must I always appear to be a reactionary loon?

Robin, I certainly had not heard about this. Are these kiosks that are in-world? Where are some of them located?

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Ahh ... yeah, I was asked that too. I was confused and didn't send them anything.

Since 11/10/05, they've been in the main WA, the WA in Waterhead, the Linden Office in Kirkby, and my own office in Ambleside.

See the attached pic. I tried to make a graphic that was as obviously "newspaper/periodical" related as possible.

FYI, whenever I create a notecard kiosk, I always set it up so that it keeps track of how many notecards it has given out and make that information viewable to everyone. If you look in the object description field of the kiosk you'll see how many notecards have been distributed (I just checked and it's currently 60.

Well I agree with the original poster, but this is wrong.

In fact everyone and anyone has the right to make such lists and there is nothing wrong with it. I have the right to criticise you, and you me. I would like *more* worst of lists in SL. People need to know the crap to avoid and it's mostly helpful information, but it cannot be Linden supported and a private business.

The only problems are the fact that it is a "pay for" business, and that it is Linden sanctioned.

The big irony here is when you compare this to the neg rates. If LL thinks its so "wrong" to negatively rate people (even if they are assholes), how is it that Linden themselves can run a service that essentially negatively rates select members? The logic is astounding.

Did the Linden in charge of setting this up not do a simple review of the services InfoNet offers? You would think a very standard "gap analysis" would be in order which would, as it's first stage, list these services. Someone would have been sitting in an office looking at a flip chart that lists the things InfoNet provides (among them the "worst of" list), then this someone would have to not even notice that this could be a problem?