If I were to publish a list of the worst places in SL, tag my list Second Hell, name names and places,,,hand my list out in world and perhaps post it on the forums... wow, how long would it take for me to be AR and sanctioned by LL.
A New York minute I would guess.
But guess who is getting away with that right now, and with the blessings of LL? You got it....Infonet. INFONET!! The so called SL information system placed at WA and hubs by Linden Lab.
First when you look at the Infonet terminal you encounter a large icon you can click to access the category "Second Hell Tourbus...the worst places in SL."
Once you click you get buttons with various notes to guide us throuh the worse SL has to offer. This is what I found today at the Welcome Area Infonet terminal:
First stop on the Second Hell tourbus was "Dione's Designs." I have never been there but I bet old Dione is a paying member of SL and doesnt appreaciate beiing the first stop on the LL sanctioned directory list of the worst places in SL.
The description of just what is wrong with poor old Diones build has been replaced with some comments about law suits, but old Diones name remains top on the list.
Another part of the list of worst places in SL includes a section entitled "walls & people scoops." Who have we here on this Second Hell Tourbus stop? When you click you receive a note card that lists these following member builds as the worst in SL:
Freebies & More
Hot Gear
Warmouth Telehub Stores
Shinda Telehub
Bear Telehub Mall
How interesting that the this "objective" Linden Lab santioned directory for the profit of one member that charges for inclusion in the directory is allowed to violate the TOS/CS with Linden blessings, at the WA, and at hubs.
What does infonet have to say about this list of second hell places? The note the infonet terminal gives out on this states:
Second Hell Tourbus
Intro: Welcome to Hell
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The Second Hell Tourbus is a weekly tour of Second Life's worst places and people. We're talking the ugliest offensive builds, the most expensive stores, worlds biggest rip offs, and the con-artists of SL.
We will take you on a tour through hell.... and you'll thank us for it. Welcome to the tourbus.
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Disclaimer: InfoNet Systems is not responsible for articles relating to the Second Hell Tourbus as they are controlled by a third party publishing group. As a result, InfoNet Systems is un-able to answer any queries relating to the Second Hell Tourbus.
Well gee...no accountability for best of and worst of determinations, and TOS/CS violations occuring at the WA and hubs with Linden blessings. Explain that one to me....
I am beginning to wonder whether LL introduced the presence of Infonet at the WA and hubs at this time in order to deflect attention away from the decision to elimiate telehubs, a decision that is costing a loss of thousands of dollars to many members.
What entitles the member who owns infonet to publish her totally subjective list of the best and worst of SL at all hubs and in the WA. This is so unfair to the members listed in this bullshit list and the fact that Linden is sponsoring this activity is unconscionable.
GET RID OF THE BEST OF WORST OF EDITORIAL BULLSHIT ON INFONET AS LONG AS IT IS A LINDEN SANCITONED FEATURE LOCATED AT HUBS AND WA.
Who will be on the Seconf Hell Tourbus, worst of SL list next week...whoever makes this member angry? Hey the members who publish and distrubute this BS should be abuse reported...does that include Linden lab employees too? According to the TOS/CS...why YES it does!
Isnt it ironic that the information directory LL will allow placed on Linden hub land in Warmouth, Shinda & Bear will state those very locations are on the Second Hell Tourbus list of the worst of SL.
Poor old Dione, all she/he wanted was a little business in SL...who will be next? Maybe I will since I am criticizing Infonet, or maybe you will be if you criticize or if the member/owner deosnt like you.
This is a lot of power that LL has given one small group of members. Yes, a comprehensive information directory is needed in SL..but a Linden backed business that charges for inclusion and keeps the profits, and includes a subjective best of and worst of list is unacceptable.
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12-09-2005 15:53
Dione is a she and her stuff is first class. She works very hard at customer service and makes a huge effort to put quality product in her stores. Her inclusion on the worst of list was just silly. If this Infonet is so valuable, why is it susbstantailly the same bad inof now as it was three months ago?
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12-09-2005 16:02
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Surreal Farber
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12-09-2005 16:20
These are the same folks sending notecards to designers in world asking that you submit one of your creations to them for evaluation, to be published in Infonet.
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12-09-2005 16:22
Linden sponsored mobbing I am filing abuse report against: - Emerald Greenstein for writing one notecard with "worst places in Second Life" slandering resident builds and businesses - Squagmire Stravinsky for selecting this content for distribution via the so-called "InfoNet" system - Governor Linden as owner/operator of those terminals - Robin Linden and others for permitting Emerald et al to spread this slander I own 100 sims in Second Life, including major attractions like Central Park or Mature Sandbox and 20 malls. None of these are listed under the appropriate categories in this system. However in the "worst places" listing my mall in Warmouth is shown. I consider this mobbing, sponsored by Linden Research Inc. I guess my relation with Linden Lab just hit one new low  _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-09-2005 16:37
Nothing against poor Squagmire, who probably never saw any of this coming.
But - GET RID OF THIS INFONET IN THE WELCOME AREAS!!!! Get it OUT. coco _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
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12-09-2005 16:41
Nothing against poor Squagmire, who probably never saw any of this coming. _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
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12-09-2005 16:45
These are the same folks sending notecards to designers in world asking that you submit one of your creations to them for evaluation, to be published in Infonet. Ooops...I bet I just insured my inclusion in that list next time around! _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-09-2005 16:48
Never mind the LISTS.
What the heck is a private business entity doing in the Wecome Areas in the first place? It should not be there! Nor in the new telehub areas! The LISTS - that just makes the whole thing so obviously outrageous, and makes it so clear what can happen when you give a few residents have special privileges (they didn't even bid for, mind you) over all the other residents on Second Life. Anshe's abuse reports are RIGHT ON THE MARK. But those private entities should not have their vendors on public land IN THE FIRST PLACE. coco _____________________
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12-09-2005 16:53
But those private entities should not have their vendors on public land IN THE FIRST PLACE. coco Does that apply to resident made content on the Help Island and Blumfield too? _____________________
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Anshe Chung
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12-09-2005 16:54
They took 100000+ US$ from people for access to one frequented advertising/marketing channel by sell them telehub land. About 30000 US$ from me alone. Now they take the telehub traffic away from us and instead of people teleport to my malls I have to find some terminal listing my malls under WORST PLACES ?!?!?!?!!!!!
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12-09-2005 17:04
Does that apply to resident made content on the Help Island and Blumfield too? No it absolutely does not! That content was solicited through a contest/bid mechanism, and freebies handed out on Welcome Island have been solicited, as well, from everybody. Moreover, no one has to PAY ME to use that free content! This is something else entirely. I have NEVER been against using player content. I have ALWAYS been against grabbing some without giving anyone else a chance to submit theirs for consideration. And now I add to that a new aspect: The way in which such player content is used. None of us should be held hostage to another business, where we must PAY THEM to be included in an officially sanctioned classified service, on official land, much less first pass the "approval" of those other residents to be even accepted for inclusion. Whether or NOT they had to bid for the position. coco _____________________
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12-09-2005 17:20
They took 100000+ US$ from people for access to one frequented advertising/marketing channel by sell them telehub land. About 30000 US$ from me alone. Now they take the telehub traffic away from us and instead of people teleport to my malls I have to find some terminal listing my malls under WORST PLACES ?!?!?!?!!!!! This is not only one scam, it is one insult! While I have certainly been at odds with you over this whole P2P issue, I do genuinely feel bad for you here, Anshe. That definitely adds insult to injury. This InfoNet thing has no point to being in the former telehub land - I have seen zero reason why it should be, and a lot of compelling reasons why it shouldn't. _____________________
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KiTTen Costello
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12-09-2005 17:23
I cannot believe i even read this....who has the right to tell ppl if their things that THEY create are no good, or the best, or top of line.... To each is own , and no one, i mean no one has the right to have such a list. It is wrong, and i am with anyone who sees things as such. This game is to encourage creative thinking, and ways to let ppl express themselves. Dont mock it...just freakin rude!!!!!!
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Weedy Herbst
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12-09-2005 17:23
No it absolutely does not! That content was solicited through a contest/bid mechanism, and freebies handed out on Welcome Island have been solicited, as well, from everybody. Moreover, no one has to PAY ME to use that free content! This is something else entirely. I have NEVER been against using player content. I have ALWAYS been against grabbing some without giving anyone else a chance to submit theirs for consideration. And now I add to that a new aspect: The way in which such player content is used. None of us should be held hostage to another business, where we must PAY THEM to be included in an officially sanctioned classified service, on official land, much less first pass the "approval" of those other residents to be even accepted for inclusion. Whether or NOT they had to bid for the position. coco I agree with you on the contest/bid thing. I think resident content should be allowed. I noticed on most of the houses in Blumfield, the description does not describe the houses, but describes the shop which sells them. Personally, I don't have any issues with that. The creators worked hard on the projects and deserve some "free advertising" as a result. On the same token, I think it's fair to allow others to "pay" for advertising in publicly sanctioned places. The content advertised, should go under some scrutiny however. By whom though? I checked the InfoNet Terminal in Io, and it appears to be cleaned up somewhat, from that which was described int he OP's post. It's new, it has bugs which will be worked out. _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
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12-09-2005 17:32
Does that apply to resident made content on the Help Island and Blumfield too? But for that very reason, its soooooo unfair to single out individual members and builds and characterize them in a certain way when it appears that this is Linden provided information! A new member doesnt know Infonet is really the subjective creation of one member who somehow was conferred with the privilege to post her subjective Best of and Worst of lists at the WA and at hubs. A new member sees a terminal on Linden land in the WA and things gee, what a shit ass person this Dione must be to have earned top billing on the Second Hell worst of SL list provided on a Linden informational terminal. Infonet also claims it will "expose con artists and rip off artists," and actually challenges other members to AR them. Go ahead...try to expose a con artist, rip off artist, bad build here on the forums. Lets see how long the post lasts and how long it takes for you to get slapped with a TOS/CS violation notice. Anyone who thinks the editorial content contained in Infonet while is exists as Linden entity is apropriate, please explain to me. How the hell can this be justified. _____________________
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Ron Overdrive
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12-09-2005 17:39
Nothing against poor Squagmire, who probably never saw any of this coming. But - GET RID OF THIS INFONET IN THE WELCOME AREAS!!!! Get it OUT. coco Squag doesn't control where her terminals end up as all she does is sell a product. What customers do with the product isn't up to her. |
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Weedy Herbst
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12-09-2005 17:42
Go ahead...try to expose a con artist, rip off artist, bad build here on the forums. Lets see how long the post lasts and how long it takes for you to get slapped with a TOS/CS violation notice. Anyone who thinks the editorial content contained in Infonet while is exists as Linden entity is apropriate, please explain to me. How the hell can this be justified. It shouldn't. If something is inappropriate, it should be reported. In my previous post, I noted that I looked at an InfoNet terminal in Io and although I just glanced over the menus, it seemed cleaned up from what was described earlier. _____________________
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Gabe Lippmann
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12-09-2005 17:42
This was a train wreck waiting to happen. Use some common sense. Use your heads, people! Even if the reviews were dead on, why highlight the worst of SL at the WA? Who comes up with this stuff? Either way, LL shouldn't be touching a "worst of" list with a ten foot polecat. Who is running the asylum?
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Anshe Chung
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12-09-2005 17:43
For the purpose InfoNet serves I suggest one system that is:
1. Open to everybody to place ads 2. Ads in top positions cost money (sorry, but this is needed to filter the spam) 3. The money generated is used to funds the new mission terminals in SL Mission terminals? Yes! Those stupid money chairs or money trees are really dumb. I suggest place some mission terminals with mini quests/task for newbies where telehubs are now. Give them the clear tasks/goals and guide them through exploration and learning, then pay them some mission price. That mission rewards could in part come from the InfoNet ads. One significant part of the missions should take place within 80 meter from telehubs to help those places prevent from total starvation. I also suggest content donations to be used as mission rewards instead of just dump them for free on the newbies. _____________________
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12-09-2005 17:44
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Katt Kongo
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12-09-2005 17:45
I have a question, and just because I ask it does not mean that I agree infoNet terminals at the infohubs are ok, but...
The Second Hell Tourbus has been a part of infoNet for a while now, and so has the LL news channel. Why the big fuss now? Simply because infoNet is being placed at the hubs? And one more, has anyone IMed Squagmire to ask her politely if she would remove this channel from infoNet? I know that the main point of this thread is the favortism that LL seems to be showing to a service that violates the TOS. But imo, that is more a matter of LL not checking out this product carefully enough before they started to use it. _____________________
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katykiwi Moonflower
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12-09-2005 17:46
Who comes up with this stuff? Either way, LL shouldn't be touching a "worst of" list with a ten foot polecat. Who is running the asylum? _____________________
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Gabe Lippmann
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12-09-2005 17:49
For the purpose InfoNet serves I suggest one system that is: 1. Open to everybody to place ads 2. Ads in top positions cost money (sorry, but this is needed to filter the spam) 3. The money generated is used to funds the new mission terminals in SL Mission terminals? Yes! Those stupid money chairs or money trees are really dumb. I suggest place some mission terminals with mini quests/task for newbies where telehubs are now. Give them the clear tasks/goals and guide them through exploration and learning, then pay them some mission price. That mission rewards could in part come from the InfoNet ads. I also suggest content donations to be used as mission rewards instead of just dump them for free on the newbies. Oh, my lord. I usually just pass right over these, but taking away the freebie content is a really bad idea. Paying people to learn - also a bad idea. _____________________
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12-09-2005 17:49
They took 100000+ US$ from people for access to one frequented advertising/marketing channel by sell them telehub land. About 30000 US$ from me alone. Now they take the telehub traffic away from us and instead of people teleport to my malls I have to find some terminal listing my malls under WORST PLACES ?!?!?!?!!!!! Save the tears, Anshe. Noone forced you or any other hub-land owner (including myself) to bid the prices up that high. We all had a choice. Change happens. We now have an opportunity presented to us - turn the old hub areas into destination places or not. _____________________
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