Lindens - is this *really* how you want things to be?

Nor does your comparison bear any resemblence to reality. For the comparison to stick, there'd need to be no other authorized options to communicate besides the state (LL) sanctioned forum, which most emphatically isn't the case, with the SLuniverse and secondcitizen forums mentioned earlier (not to mention countless blogs, other web forums, various IM programs, and IRC).

Again, comparing the official SL forums with a totalitarian dictatorship is, at best, misguided.

(less savory options as well, but I'm trying to be nice )

I concur. I am all for letting chaos reign in the forums once again. It in general flaberghasts me as to what can be considered general anymore. I feel like everytime I post a new thread that I have to idiot tag it with the justification as to why I am posting it where I am posting it.

The word general according to wikipedia means:

General is a word with a variety of meeanings to include:

1. Something far ranging covering a variety of topics or answers (i.e. "a general response"
2. The military rank of General
3. A Blue-collar worker who performs a variety of services, often called simple a "General" or "General Employee". This is most often found in food service careers

So we either need to figure out what constitutes #1 or start speaking solely on options #2 and #3

This has been on ongoing problem way before Anshe's threads got moved. Anshe is just an example.

Selador, the truth is of the matter, the Anshe banned thread was a matter that was between her and LL and only her and LL. She chose to air dirty laundry and spread her own account information, something that's not supposed to be done anywhere, much less the forums. I'm really not surprised it was taken down.

Hehe, I get the feeling you're in the minority though


I think one of the reasons its become more aparent is just because I've been on the forums a lot, I've been browsing them while thinking about/making/texturing furniture in world, as so rather than them getting moved slowly, over a period of time as usually happens, they've moved in clumps because I've been about.

But for everyone with one opinion on what the ResMods should do, theres thousands more each with opinions of their own. We're gonna end up upsetting one of them. Its the same with leaving redirects. Half the people seem to think they clutter up the forum and shouldn't be there, the other half say they need them to find threads.

Our job is to put threads where they belong for the most part, and not just blatent advertising.

Today for instance, I haven't moved anything, because everythings in the right place I hope thats another effect of moving threads, people get a better idea of where things go. I will try to tone down the General > Notices and Well Wishes (since it seems to bother people so much) and leave it up to other ResMods and the Lindens to decide where they should go.

Zap

The General forum tagline says..

Discuss your ideas and observations about SL

Emphasis mine. The General forum is for discussion about Second Life, the Notices and Well Wishes forum is to let people know about things, Second Life announcements.

For instance, the "I Love Second Life" thread, said simply that, and a smiley. Thats an announcement, in my mind, that the OP loved Second Life. If it went on to say what they loved about SL and went on to inquire what other forum goers loved about SL, it'd be a discussion.

I don't see how people can get so worked up about such things. Its in the same forum, just a subsection. I'm not moving them anywhere obscure.

Its all a question of where to draw the line, and different people want to draw it different places. I'm not gonna do it a different way to how I think it should be because you come and shout at me in a thread

for an out of the box experience, i much prefer playing secondlife than visiting north korea.

The value of an opinion is not determined by the number of people who hold it.

So what will it take to make you do it differently? You are seeing all kinds of feedback that you are being overzealous and it is disruptive to the readers of the forum. I would rather a borderline thread be left in General - you are micromanaging the forums to the point of ridiculousness. Blatant ads? Yeah, get them out when you can. Misplaced events? Fine. Taco making fun of something? Yeah, straight to off topic. The "I love SL" thread was a discussion about how much people love SL. Definite grey area, and just seems petty to move it.

It's getting to be a wild goose chase to keep up with threads, and half of the lines in General seem to say Moved. This is not a good thing. Part of the frustration with the resmod program is the attitude that you are just going to do whatever you damn well please, and the rest of us be damned. Your attitude reflects that.

And therein lies the problem. You are moderating for the sake of moderation. You interpreted an intention of the poster and thence acted based on your interpretation of their motivation.

Horsepucky.

You just articulated EXACTLY what is wrong with your moderation in particular and RESMOD moderation in general - no accountability.

Since that thread seems to be what we're talking about, I don't see how anyone can count it as a discussion, it was someone saying "I love Second Life" and then 15 other people saying "me too". Its a notice, or 16 very small notices.

I have said I'd take extra time to look at thread that should be moved, but if ithat specific thread came round again, I'd move it again.

Can someone explain to me why people are getting so worked up about threads being moved to a sub-forum?



Well thank you Sue Its good to know.

too true... it's often determined by the people who have the power to enforce it...

Are you kidding? Go back to the thread where Jeska was asking for input on the ResMod program (only a few hours before launching the same). People don't like to be moderated by their peers simply because their peers expressed a passing interest in doing so.

You are moving so many threads, Zap, you're starting to look like an jerk and the comments in the threads you are moving from many different users are starting to support that assumption people are having about you.

P.S. Your new forum title "Teh Resmods Are Coming!1" just mocks the part of the community who doesn't agree with the ResMod program. Way to be partial there, Zap. Great way to represent.

Hell, if I were in Zaps position half of the threads would of been deleted. I wouldn't stop until the people in the forums start behaving like they should in real life.

Thank goodness you ain't a ResMod then!

You didn't address the bulk of what I said. This is not about one thread, it's about the swath you have cut through General lately that has been incredibly disruptive to the flow of reading these forums.

Look, this isn't even Zap's fault.

Obviously, they haven't been trained sufficiently, if at all. Probably because there IS no general consensus, even among the Lindens, on what to do about the forums. And most certainly, there was no consistency in forum handling and forum discipline since long before the resmods arrived on the scene.

The resmods are US. They are ones of us who have been hand-picked by the Lindens (for whatever obscure reasons) to do the scut work and to take the flack for doing it.

And why? So the Lindens can save money. Period.

The resmods are ones of us, who are expected to sacrifice themselves - their reputation, their friends, respect of others - various and sundry things that will go on the line if they do the job at ALL, because doing it at all means they must speak out.

What are the quiet ones doing? Nothing, apparently.

They are even rotated in and out of their position in the line of fire for no apparent rhyme or reason. How do you think it must feel to be working under such circumstances?

The Lindens are abusing their residents in this fashion. Being a helper or a mentor, okay - nobody is going to take things out on you for doing that. But they should not be putting some of us on the front lines here.

The Lindens should take part of that $11 million and hire someone professional and unbiased to moderate the forums.

Or farm them out. But stop this situation which only abuses us, and makes us turn on each other, whether we are regular posters or resmods.

coco

Cocoanut,

While I agree with your sentiment, there are circumstances where it is about the individual, not about the program. Moderation of a forum should be unobtrusive and nearly transparent for the flow to be there, especially in a high traffic forum. The first group of moderators, there was one who would write a War and Peace length commentary in each moderated thread, which was disruptive - it was longer than the posts in the actual thread often times. This time around, Zap has been overly aggressive in bouncing around threads to the point where it has become disruptive. He also seems unwilling to take any input on the subject - the old "my way or the highway" syndrome - which points I think to why some people might become a resmod in the first place.

Yes, well, I agree, and yes, but that one you refer to is coming back. (And I liked him.)

I'm just saying it does no good to critique various individual resmods' behavior, however valid those critiques may be, when the system itself is untenable. I think that just draws energy and attention away from the fact that the system itself should go.

Not saying that I haven't vocally torn my hair out over individual resmod actions myself on these forums, too. I'm just trying to draw us back to the situation - which is that the whole system itself is untenable, rather than putting one resmod or the other on the hotseat.

And why is the system untenable? Several reasons:

1. There's the fact that they aren't trained.

2. Even if they were trained, there's the fact that there is no lucidity in the system in the first place, when the words in the TOS are applied only to some individuals, strictly and overly-applied to others, and excused or "interpreted" away for other individuals.

3. There are no clear requirements for the job. (Just what is a "relatively clean" rap sheet, anyway?).

4. The fact that resmods are rotated in and out with no explanation (from what I've gathered).

5. These people are not LEADERS in any sense. They are not elected to leadership. Leaders are generally people whom others agree, to various extents, to follow. Leaders are not people who have been thrust upon others, like it or not.

The Lindens hope to have "leaders" and expect "leadership" through the resmod program, but all they have and all they ever will have are Linden-appointed overlords.

6. People deal fine with other residents appointed to help them, as the helpers and the mentors do. People do NOT do fine, and never WILL do fine, with other residents appointed to police them. And that's what this job is.

7. Not only are these individuals appointed to police us, they actually play a role which has an influence over whether or not we even get to keep playing, or get banned and have our goods confiscated from the game. The rule that speech on the forums is linked to having your game confiscated was a bad rule before, and is even less justifiable now. On Stratics, at least those resident moderators have nothing whatsoever to do with your actual game.

(In fact, name me a game that does give resmods any connection to this power; I'm curious.)

So yeah, some resmods better than others, and perhaps, over time, the Lindens will cull out the best of the bunch. But that's immaterial, since the fact of the matter is I don't want other paying residents to police me at ALL. I don't care who they are.

And I certainly don't want to give any particular resmod a hard time for just trying to help, or to give the impression that the whole thing will be great just as soon as they get the "right" resmods.

coco

right, including the poster here and the ResMod make 2 in favor of Resmodding everything in sight

170,000+disagree

but I guess big brother (and no one can forget about you, big sis, the #1 ARer by a mile) holds the opinion, therefore those 2 votes outnumber the overwelming majority who hate this program, and what is has done to residents, with a passion

but don't worry, cuz the value of an opinion is not determined by the number of people who hold it and this is not a democracy

so 2 for Resmodding everything and everyone else against

well everyone, I guess you are all wrong!

let the ministry of information take care of everything for you

doubleplusgood!

Hehehe, now the "moderator" is engaged in the just-short-of-flame war. Here's an idea for part of the $11 million funding. How about a series of TV ads, along the lines of that credit card company?

"Second Life annual membership: $70."
"Upgraded video card: $179."
"Watching the moderator mud-slinging in the forums: Priceless."

this sentence is a microcosm of LL itself

you got 16 people who support a product

now you have pissed a bunch of your supporters off by jerking them around the forums and referring to their support of SL as "very small"

LL does the same, piss off the people who pay them a lot of money and those who really love SL. this is reflected on the customer service the customer receives and the little things (like over moderation)

they got Torley goosestepping all over the forums, but they gave her the Linden last name and (presumably) a paycheck, so Torley has every reason to parrot the company line (even at the expense of Torleys image compared to the Torgleson days)

ResMods only reward for screwing with the user base is the vaportrail of frustration left on the attitudes of those whose contributions are slighted or hidden

just for clarification, this wasn't directed to any one resmod (not even the one in this thread neccesarily) as some moderation has been helpful in the past, but right now we have gone into the a farce

it is not that type of moderation that we am complaining about tho, and we all know this (even the very small minority of special people who get to be right with thier quality opinions while the rest of us, the majority, are too stupid to ignore threads that don't concern us)

See? Stuff like the last two post makes me wish I had the power to slap people via the internet.

can't tell the difference of real life and SL from your elitist point of view?

what can I expect off of someone who threatens physical violence because he disagrees