Lindens - is this *really* how you want things to be?

I on the other hand only move something if it's glaringly obviously in the wrong place. I think I've only moved about a dozen total. What bugs me is the fact that the same post gets reported with the same wording of the abuse report upward of 10 times or more. It has to be the same person. All they are doing is filling our inboxes, not making us get to it any faster. abuse reporting something that offends you once is cool with me. 14 times is just being immature.

Cristiano, what I read on SLH would seem to indicate that Anshe was given different rules than other people - but more harsh ones.

According to what was said there, there is supposed to be a seven-day grace period she did not get. Additionally, according to that, LL actually owed Anshe more than she owed them.

coco

Yeah! Be more like Maeve! She's got it right.

As to the multiple ARs by the same people... gah. They're all the little old lady/man we've all had as neighbors, that call the cops every time a child walks across the grass on his way home from school.

Does any of that have any bearing on the forum postings? Nope. You are such a stickler for the rules, Cocoanut, and again, you are getting one side of the story - Anshe's.

PS - there is nothing on the SLH site that was not posted by Anshe already - it is all her word only. Hearing only one side of something is hardly convincing, and still, none of that has anything to do with why her threads were moved/locked.

What?

I'm busy remarking on topics here as they come up. I'm not making it a point to go back and see what sort of bearing something has on something. What do you mean what bearing something has on the forums postings? I'm just talking about something you brought up.

You know, like a back-and-forth sort of conversation.

I realize I'm getting that side of the story, duh. But aren't you interested in hearing it? I'm interested in hearing all sides of the story. I don't just out of hand REJECT information because it is that of one side. I digest it, and wait for the other side. I was just pointing it out to you. Are you the interested in it at all?

I USED to be a stickler for the rules on these forums. Once it became clear the rules existed only for some posters and not others, not to mention that it all depended on who chose to AR something, a person would be a fool to be a stickler for the so-called rules here, and the greater question becomes, why have any at all? If not to just punish who you happen to feel like punishing.

coco

Yes they can. I got an informal warning for offering Anshe a job.

Well, good - I guess. I didn't see that post of yours.

coco

When people are forced to discuss an issue in code for fear of reprisal, I think there is a similarity.

That is not entirely true.

I think the resmods are doing a fine job.

I am very glad you got a warning for that post - it was well deserved. And only cowards use alts to abuse others.

Oh come on, resmods move two of Anshe's vanity threads and this is fascism?

That's why I edited it. I felt guilty. And I am a coward. *sigh*

Well at least you're an honest one, Doctor!

coco

wait you mean, when people who are discussing robbing a bank and can't do it out in the open without worrying about being arrested? is like the USSR in the 50's?

because when you are talkin about a issue that has been closed you are in violation right?


i don't post often because over all i find the forums to be overly uncivil and people choseing to grind every axe they own at every possible oppertunity

Its true... the rules apply differently to different people.

You know, if Second Life is supposed to be this front-running thing that's forming the metaverse, this Snow Crash idea of some alternate reality... and you know, WE'RE the ones supposedly forging this brave new world, this new era of virtual interaction, socialization, government, new laws, new ways of doing things...

Then where else BUT these forums are we supposed to have discussion on these topics?! THIS IS SECOND LIFE -- the place where its supposedly "happening" -- where the new world is being created, but its own residents ARE NOT FREE to discuss the subjects that MUST be discussed NOW. There NEEDS to be open discourse about pornography, property rights, privacy rights, etc. There needs to be open discourse about whether or not, in this new world WE are making, if things that are "illegal" in the "real world" are accepted in the virtual world because they are just that -- virtual.

These forums should NOT BE MODERATED. It is NOT in the best interest of the future metaverse for one single, questionably-managed company to rule it with an iron fist. If Linden Labs does NOT lighten up, Second Life WILL die. An open-source alternative will be introduced, and it will take off because it will be FREE. People will host their own streaming worlds, people will make their own rules to get away from the iron hands of companies like Linden Labs.

Ever heard of Firefox? Hmm... Microsoft had a great product that everyone overall loved. But then Microsoft began to refuse to support freedom with the browser -- no you can't load pages like this, no you can't load pages like that... complain about it in the Microsoft forums? Post deleted. Nay-sayers silenced. What happened to IE's monopolistic hold on the browser market? Open source, that's what happened to it. And people RAN from IE because people hate iron-fisted, monopolistic, secretive, censorship-loving companies.

If Linden Labs does not make major changes to the way they are treating their residents, then Second Life will be the next Internet Explorer. You only fire it up when you absolutely have to because some moron hasn't moved on with the rest of the world.

Aaron I agree with you mostly. However, humans being the humans they are, some light moderation is a neccessity to prevent total chaos.


Re: Firefox... no thanks. I've seen first hand how it can be "misused" to tamper with another bboard. I'm not going to go into any details here about that mainly because it is the past and the "holes" have been plugged. If anyone here knows what Skiffy is and who Igno was they'll know what I'm talking about.

Somewhere INSIDE this new "metaverse". If SL is some kind of precursor to the 3d cybserpsace/other plane/metaverse/... and not a game based on these concepts.

These forums aren't there. They're not part of Second Life. They're the old linear Internet.

And these forums are just one of thousands of methods of communicating on the old linear internet. Two forums dedicated to SL are just a click or two and a sign up process away.

Forums.sluniverse.com and forums.secondcitizen.com. They are easy enough to remember and type, you don't even need to have a bookmark.

Then there are the free forums one can get if they want to use forums, the #secondlife IRC channel for real time throw away spontaneous chat. Don't have an IRC client? Go to sluniverse.com and use the client Cristiano provides.

There's Second Life groups at yahoo groups, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Second_Life/ is one, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brits_and_Pieces/ is another. Don't like those? Make one of your own.

You can probably still make an IRC group. You can make conference calls with Skype or Google talk or a similar program.

You can send email, make an old fashioned email mailing list, or you could use the chat that's built into gmail now.

Acting like there is a problem finding ways to communicate when you are on a broadband internet connection is utterly ridiculous.

Ho hum I sure don't see no oppresive LL tatics here. All I see is people that don't have a clue how to discuss a subject without resorting to personal attacks which result in nothing more than showing their lack of debating skills.

Because, of course, there's a whole slew of Forum KGB Agents waiting to track down in RL those who post "wrong" and have them taken away to LL-run mental health facilities to be "cured" for their obvious "sickness", or outright made to vanish into a small hole about six feet down if LL is feeling generous, or just tossed into an incinerator if they aren't.

FFS, do you realize how freaking silly you sound when you equate moderation on a web forum to the deaths or imprisonment of millions of people by a totalitarian regime?

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a prim boot stamping on an avatar's face -- for ever.

Um - similarity does not imply identity.

LOL - thank you for that.

I just wanted to comment on Cali's post in which she outlined the issues.

Yes, I agree that the kind of gloating, playground-bully posting we saw in the Anshe thread was very unpleasant. There is clearly a dichotomy between allowing freedom for everybody, and not allowing people to bully. Unfortunately you have to find a line between the two. It is my belief that the line can be drawn at the point of legality. Anything legal should be allowed.

All the bullies managed to do in that particular thread was to go down in my estimation still further, and also, oddly enough, to confirm something that Anshe herself said some time ago. She claimed that those who hated her were motivated by jealousy. I dismissed this as rampant egocentricity at the time, but after that particular thread, I believe there is more than an element of truth to this.

You can't legislate good behaviour, but you can encourage it. If moderators were chosen with care, and confined their activities to trying to guide discussion, the forums would be a much better place, IMO. Being gently chastised by Torley would make *me* mend my ways, I can tell you!