Lindens - is this *really* how you want things to be?

I don't think all this was some sort of joke. If it was, it was a very bad one.

coco

I took it a minute ago. It can be seenhere , but I figured posting it may be too 'personal'.

But yeah I think it's april-1 LOL LALA.

Wow, so everyone involved has a deplorable sense of humor. Aren't April's fools pranks supposed to be amusing to at least someone?

Added: curious, I just spoke with Anshe in game who claims it was not a joke. Like the cornfield, we may never know.

I dunno. I just know I'm gonna have a hard time believing -anyone- today.

I mean, I'm glad I got paid at work yesterday, because if I got paid today I'd be suspect on spending it. heh.

I suspect there is more to it than that. I checked a few hours ago, and she didn't show up in find people. One of her alts did (Anshee), and she (the alt) was online, but the main account was not in Find at all.


- Jon

Yeah Jon, but last year for april 1, LL changed everyone's title from "resident" to "FIC Wannabe"... They can do this stuff temporarily just to make things -look- real, and if this is still going on*TOMORROW* then we know it isn't a joke. but i'd say give it 24 hours, especially today.

That affected everyone, not just one person as this has.

Let's not pretend this was some big censorship issue. It is very straightforward. Anshe posted about a private billing and disciplinary matter between herself and LL. The moderators determined where the thread belonged (not that it belonged on the forums anyway, it was just yet another grandstand by Anshe where she could whip out statistics to show how important she is). Anshe did not like that they moved her thread, so she openly flaunted the rules of the forum and reposted. So, because it is Anshe, she should be able to break the rules everyone else is supposed to abide by?

What????

Now it's okay to close a thread because it's repetitive? Why? The burden of having to read all those posts? Be an adult and skip 'em. Scroll past, don't read what you don't want to. Jumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick! Aren't there any adults here?

Allowing stupid threads to proliferate on forums results in a phenomenon known as "crapflooding".

What struck me as amazing was the number of personal attacks posted in that thread and the complete lack of LL response to them. If I or anyone else named anybody else in a thread or engaged in the same sort of personal attacks, some hyperactive Res-Mod or Torley would jump in in seconds to shut the thread down.

I would have posted something very similar if I'd had the same problem. Being told you have to wait until Monday for the problem to be resolved when calling from overseas? I get frustrated with the complete lack of service from LL with my tiny account, could you imagine having real money tied up in this mess?

All in all, though, it seems to me that the people reveling in her problems and telling us that she has to follow the same rules as the rest of us while at the same time breaking those very rules need to take a break and examine their own motivations.

Wasn't talking about threads in a forum, was talking about posts in a thread.

I know I should have taken that left turn at Albaquerky!

If a thread gets overtaken by an awful lot of nonsense that shows no sign of abating, it in itself can be harmful - it generates drama, hence further threads on the same pointless subject, and sucks interest from more useful threads. At the least, the thread concerned keeps popping up at the top of the New Posts screen. I've binned threads myself on other forums because of that.

In any case, there were duplicate threads here.

Anshe being banned is no more worthy of a thread than anyone else being banned, in other words, not at all. Perhaps a mention on Notices in case anyone was trying to contact her, as she does have a lot of clients, but then she has alts as well so they could still get in touch in-world.

As far as LL is concerned, it is always open season on Anshe in the forums, and personal attacks against her cannot, by some weird definition, be considered personal attacks.

(Something of an over-simplification, I know - but nonetheless, a general rule of thumb.)

coco

The lack of similarity between using the SL forums and living in the Soviet Union during the cold war is really quite pronounced.

You know what's funny - it's kind of like the "immersion" in the forums is broken.

Now, instead of reading through General to see what piques my interest, and reading what people have to say, I find myself reading a thread and thinking, "Okay, what are all the reasons why this one doesn't belong in General?"

You know, it started out okay. A bit of moving here and there, events to events or notices, etc. And I said several times I thought the resmods were doing a good job of that.

But now it's not about what people are saying. It is all about where they are supposed to be saying it.

I have caught the resmod virus! Now I'm now reading every thread, not thinking about the thoughts in it, but with a mindset of figuring out why it doesn't belong wherever it is.

coco

As for the General to Notices and Well Wishes comments, Notices and Well Wishes is a section of General. The way I see it is that general is for discussion about Second Life, and Notices and Well Wishes is for things people just want to say (notice "like", for instance, I Love SL

How about this... leave shit alone! It's become impossible to find threads we were just following 5 minutes ago, because more often than not, they aren't where they were 5 minutes ago.

If someone posts an ad in General, yes, move it. If someone posts an Event in the wrong place, yes, move it. If it isn't a clear-cut case of being in the wrong place, then ease that itchy little finger off the mouse and leave it alone. It's getting downright ridiculous, and it's pissing people off. Not at the program in general, but at the individuals doing it, because they are the ones to blame.

What do you think SL stands for? You bloody tyrant!!

They want to discuss their love for Second Life!!.

They've got a move button and so they're gonna use it! It's their job!

or:

The more well behaved we become then the more sensitive the resmods would be.


In heaven, if there was a police force. Then they'd be arresting angels for just playing the wrong fucking note on their harp.

But really, it's all just a silly game. The resmods create drama and a sense of repression and we all post crap saying "Help! we're being repressed!!". The resmods are a just as much a pawn in the game as we are.

I'm sure Philip is somewhere out there giggling like a bitch.

They are simply being moved to where they belong, its not like we're moving them to the Korean Forums or something.

If its a discussion about Second Life, it goes in general, if its a notice/well wish about second life, it goes in notices and well wishes, if its about the real world etc it goes in off topic, if its an ad it goes in classfieids.

As I have stated in many other threads, we're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.

If we only move a minimal number of threads, we get accused of being a waste of space, not worth the trouble etc.

If we move the threads we feel warrent moving, we get accused of inconsistancy, moving threads where we have a problem with the subject/poster on a personal basis etc.

If we move all the threads that can be moved we get accused of censorship, over-moderation etc.

Given those are the only options, I'm aiming for the top end of inconsistancy

I have to ask, how does a discussion of the moderation of the Second Life forums belong in general? Forum moderation has zero to do with Second Life.

I suggest erring on the side of not being annoying and making the forums even harder to follow a discussion in.

My motivations are perfectly in check, thank you very much. This is not a complex concept to understand, here goes:

1) Anshe gets into a billing dispute with LL and her account is suspended.
2) Anshe is unhappy about this, and posts to the Land and Economy forum (the wrong forum for her post, as it was not a land and economy issue - it was a billing/disciplinary issue)
3) Her thread was moved.
4) Anshe did not like that it was moved, so she created a duplicate thread in General and stated openly that she was doing so because her thread was moved.
5) Duplicate thread was closed for several reasons - one, for being a duplicate thread, and two, because it is a private matter.

I am not revelling in Anshe's problems, though karma is definitely a bitch. It is not unreasonable to expect that she has to follow the same rules is it? No matter how much money she spends, she is not above the rules. How hard is to understand to post your thread to the appropriate forum? People feign indignance to this, but they know exactly what they are doing when they do it. Anshe is not some hapless newbie who did not know not to put her event listing in General. She is a shrewd, calculated business person who knows exactly what she is doing, and the effect she wants to achieve.