Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

That's not even a complete sentence. Stop for a minute. Take some deep breaths. Then try to give a complete answer.


Tess

I really don`t get the point of this remark. I did not say i was spying on anyone hell i was working in the place. Spying is only done if you are not suppose to be inthe area and or doing it on purpose. ROLE PLAY is that ROLE PLAY. But after hearing countless news reports about how kids are hurt and worse, I can`t agree with this typee of role playing.

hight of the avies has been talked about but LLabs wil not remark on this issue.

So what else qualifies as too perverted to be welcome in your community?
When you start dictating what is acceptable in certain people's bedrooms, you open the door to the community dictating what is acceptable in everyone's bedrooms including your own.

I don't want to see sexual ageplay myself and thankfully I never have. I don't tend to assume short AVs are kids and I don't assume kid AVs are having sex. What they actually do or don't do I keep my nose out of.

whats not to understand?? lets say you spot them, you take their names you take a snap, AR them, and LL should ban the avatars by IP.
ZERO tolerance is ZERO TOLERANCE, what not to bloody understand.

LL won't remark because:
1) they couldn't stop sexual remarks/xcite!/whatever from being used between two parties if they wanted to
2) They're not in the censoring buisness,a nd
3) Who would set the guidelines? You'd just be descriminating against short avs.

As long as both are consenting adults in real life, I see no problem if they want to pretend to be a 8 year old amputee midget girl and a dead transexual horse and go at it.

No children are being harmed, so there's nothing wrong with it.

"You must be this tall to go on this ride"

... sorry ^^;;

It's not against the community standards or ToS. Let alone the Lindens are already flooded with ARs.
IPs can be changed, and the id0 hash can be spoofed.

Countless news reports??? Countless news reports??? Nonsense. You are seeing perverts behind every bush. They are a VERY small minority. Out of 10,000 news reports 1 may be about child abuse of this type. You need a bit of a reality check.

Tess

Quoted for truth. They are consenting adults manipulating pixels on a screen. No child is being harmed in the action that is taking place on their monitors.

Tess

I think what no one mentions, and I wonder if it gets lost here, is that in the United States, the possession or creation of 'child pornography' includes writing and artwork. It is illegal, for example, to use a computer software program to create an image of a child having sex. It is also illegal to write stories about children having sex. In fact, one judge found that a prisoner's diary, in which he had written his sexual fantasies about children, constituted child pornography and he was sentenced to additional time in prison. This is despite the fact that the prisoner did not share his diary with anyone else. His diary was seized and read by prison guards. It is illegal to paint or draw a picture of a child having sex.

Regardless of what LL may be capable of doing to prevent ageplay, regardless of whether it is consensual RP between adults, regardless of whether any actual children are harmed, regardless of what anyone on these forums thinks about the subject, what is being created with age play is, in fact, according to US law, felony creation of child pornography.

The people who engage in this are, quite simply, stupid. IP addresses can be traced and many of these individuals have payment records with LL. All it takes is for the FBI to subpoena chat records and IP addresses and you're in prison for your 'consensual roleplay between adults.'

Make no mistakes about it, IT IS ILLEGAL.

So you want us all to spend all our time in SL policing each other? Do you think banning by IP will stop anyone that really wants to do this? Do you want dozens of avatars following your avatar around watching you? Do you want some hacker, griefer to fake up something and get you banned for age play?

Tess

Consenting SICKO'S more like, anyone who finds the thought of having sex with a child is fucked in the head. RP or not thats what they are fantasizing about. good luck defending it folks.

I guess I am just lucky that I am 5 feet tall in Second Life and my partner of almost 2 years is only a few inches shorter. God forbid what people would think if one of us was a few inches taller.

Ah. I am glad you brought this up. I was going to get to it but you have stated it quite well. What you have said above is how things now stand. I am not sure what can be done. Clearly children MUST be protected but I am not sure that draconian laws about the creation and possession of virtual images is in the best interest of society. Clearly the law has not caught up with technology and I am really not sure what the best thing to do is.

Tess

Artwork (cartoons, digitally rendered images, etc.) have to be INDISTINGUISHABLE from the real thing to be considered child porn.

Well since you can read what is in peoples minds I hope you are out there every minute you are online in SL searching out those sicko's to protect us all.

Tess

Sadly (I guess) this is not true. There are people in prison in the state of California for having Poser images of pedophilia on their computers. They were easily distinguishable from real photos but that did not matter.

Tess

Sorry, you're wrong. See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (2002). Text depictions are also covered by free speech, as well as non-minor involved simulated pictures, etc.

That is 100% correct. If anyone thinks that Second Life avs are indistinguisable from the real thing then I suggest they see an eye doctor and fast!

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_9_54/ai_85410321



http://news.com.com/Phony+kids,+virtual+sex/2100-1043_3-6060132.html


As you can see the subject has been done to death.

Getting SL age-play to fit under "the freedom to engage in a substantial amount of lawful speech." would be a very tough sell I'm afraid especially with the current Supreme Court. I wish there was a simple answer here but there just isn't.

Tess

Those cases need to go to a higher court then.

Federal Child Pornography

Summary

CIPA refers to the federal legal definition of "child pornography" at 18 U.S.C. § 2256. The definition has changed a number of times over the past several years, with its latest incarnation as of April 30, 2003, when President George W. Bush signed the PROTECT Act. The Act implements the Amber Alert communication system. It also redefined "child pornography."

In 2003, child pornography includes not only images of real children, but also computer images that are indistinguishable from real children engaging in sexually explicit conduct. "Indistinguishable" is defined such that an "ordinary person" viewing the image would conclude that it is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct.

The following images are not child pornography: drawings, cartoons, sculptures or paintings depicting minors or adults. Images of actual adults that look like minors are also excluded.


http://www.llrx.com/features/updatecipa.htm

I stand corrected. I was clearly a bit behind the curve on this. It does seem odd that a very good depiction of something is very illegal while a poorly done depiction of the exact same thing is not, but what can you do? Just say no to photo-realism.

Tess