Griefing Allowed to Continue

Scripts should not be banned in my opinion any sort of report strong enought to get someone banned/suspended should require at least 2 witnesses

Yes, in terms of actual enforcement, I have never seen someone get disciplined for "killling" on a parcel flagged "unsafe".

Unfortunately, this backfires on you as it allows a griefer to use a conventional "damage" gun to wipe out your guests safely from just over your border. The net result of which is to put your guests in harm's way while protecting the griefer.

No matter how unnatural it seems for an event host to be sitting, this is the most practical "defense" against push-into-oblivion griefer guns. It is, however, rather hard to do at dance events.

hmm, wouldn't it be cool if we had like little cameras we could put up on our property to record actions and chat? And Linden could check these cams in case a griefer showed up, so you can have evidence to prove stuff. When we report we can send them chat but it doesn't help if you crash and its hard to take a pic of a griefer at times. Just an idea

Yes, Malachi, we surely agree on this. It's this laxity that makes me reach for other solutions like asking people using lots of scripts that lag a sim, i.e. 300 or more, to start paying on a separate meter.

It's because the response that scripters have to griefing with scripts is simply to say "abuse report" and "abuse report" only goes "nowhere" to the...wow...3 days ban or at best, a warning.

LL still clings to their hope and their belief, against all evidence, that SL can be a shooter game.

I took that statement as sincere, as is this one: I am so pleasantly stunned by this that I shall refrain from teasing you henceforth. Peace.

i see a black list in the near future and the population will be divided in half.

As opposed to non-americans who so love to crawl across the floor in total subservience to anyone who abuses them, presumably ?

Hehe, well said Lindar.

It's funny how all the pro-freedom talk is from Americans, while all the people who actually stand up to the tanks and put their lives on the line are in Europe and other places.

America does have some fantastic freedom fighters in organizations like the EFF, but you don't hear them say crap like "I'm an American so I stand for freedom" while their government is doing the exact opposite. Much of the EFF's work is, sadly, an exercise in limiting the anti-freedom activities of the good ol' freedom-loving Americans at home.

PS. How this relates to griefing I have no idea.

There are already shared blacklists through the S.L.A.M. association as noted above and probably others as well. However, I think the division probably is closer to 99.9% non-griefers, 0.1% griefers. It's kind of amazing how so few can wreak so much irritation.

Yup - divided into two distinct groups.

Those who go to clubs

And those who don't


erm.. hmmm.. hang one a sec....

"It's funny how all the pro-freedom talk is from Americans, while all the people who actually stand up to the tanks and put their lives on the line are in Europe and other places."

Not true and very insulting. I'd dare you to say that to my uncle, who stood up to tanks (with barbed wire on the front of them), but he's dead. Stick your stereotyping crap in your ear. How it relates to griefing is you just griefed me.

Are you saying that nobody in Europe ever says anything pro-freedom? That seems like an odd thing to say... Perhaps it would be better in future not to use sweeping generalizations that encompass entire continents.

*gives Ursula a high-five and a cookie*

Yes, Morgaine and Lindar, I'd totally agree, that a lot of the disputes on this forum and in the game, if you strip away the anonymity, the funny avatars, etc. are really just about Americans, Europeans -- and let's add in Asians for good measure -- having really severe cultural clashes if not clashes of civilization.

Um...Europe? Standing up to tanks? Not in Western Europe, where you all are likely to be at. Unless you mean...you climbed up on a telephone pole during an anti-Bush demonstration or something lol? Brave!

EFF is good, but they suffer from the same left-leaning yahoos that a lot of those type of movements suffer from precisely because they didn't learn Europe's lessons of the Holocaust and the Great Terror...that's your Europe! That's your freedom!

These are off-topic points though, and if you don't want the SL forums to degenerate into a lot of incitement of ethnic hatred, you need to go back and look at what concerned these people.

They believe in protecting their private property.

It's your attitude toward private property that troubles me, Morgaine: you don't support private property. You don't believe in it. And that is a problem for Second Life. A big one. Because it means that your Open Source=Closed Society.

If you cannot accept private property and all the rights that go with it -- including the right to fight griefers, we have a *really major problem* on our hands with *you* at the helm running our world.

We haven't found much else over the ages to root a society's protection of the individual and his rights except private property because institutions like government and churches and unions and so on all have their flaws...

It's always annoying to hear an American yahoo talking about how he's going to get a gun and shoot something. All you have to do is scroll back to the Great War and the other wars of Europe and you "get it" about Europeans shooting something. They don't like to scroll back!

So in scrolling forward in our virtual world in SL, I'm definitely not for substituting American yahoo shooters protecting private property with European mass murderer shooters eroding and ending private property. Sometimes life is about choices, yes. Choices.

Thi sis silly people. first shooting back as a defense is fine. as someone here sais your not in mortal danger from the grifer. well duh the griefer is not uin mortal danger if someone shoots back.

the lindens appear to want the world to be self governed. Personally I think it should be VERY VERY hard to "ban" someone from SL even the lindens should not take that lightly. only the most severe repeat offenders should be banned.

why ? cause I dont want to be kiddie handled. boo hoo he bombed me ban him ban him. give me a break

the solution SHOULD in theory be quite easy. 3 changes will make this problem go away.

#1 allow the banning of individuals from a parcel (I think this is already possible)

#2 allow the disabling of HIGH energy Physics scripting on land. this will permit ALL normal scripts and even motion scripts like model rockets etc.. but NOT allow scripts to activate that will excert enough energy to locomote other matter (IE blowing avatars out of the area/sim) it should (I imagine) be relatively easy server side to enable such a thing with af ew nights programming.

#3 When a PERSON is banned OR High Energy Physics is disabled make sure this also applies to these things ENTERING a parcel (so they can not lob destructive things in from outside the parcel.) so if they make a rocket with a high energy payload it will go null once it enters your parcel or if any high energy items enters your parcel from outside it simply wont activate.

I do not like excerting force over people. I do not like banning (system wide banning) and I do not like ounishing people just for being stupid etc.. just take away there tools and they will go away. WITHOUT taking away everyone else tools or rights and without making everyone elses life miserable (like what happened here)

If the lindens can enable these three things this type of problem will vanish instantly without the need to resort to rules and punishment.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

One more thing. 2 more things that would be useful

the ability to access each others IP address in world and add this to a black list.

also the creation of a WHITE LIST so that if an IP has GOOD people behind it (say a public connection) you can white list certain aliases to permit them entry.

this will prevent multiple aliases from being used to bypass a block

then again impliment my 3 ideas above and this becomes very much not needed. it wont take long for people to put someone they dont like on there ignore list then they will be powerless without there high energy physics and mute ie no longer a problem. the problem will self regulate.

Stop trying to regulate and ban. I want sl to be BETTER than RL not a filthy copy of RL. USE the amazing technology at our disposal.!!

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

One more thing. as for america vs everyone else

I consider americans (of which I am one) to be WORSE (off) than any other citizens on the planet.

why ?

Because we HAVE all these wonderful freedoms and we are doing NOTHING to stop our governments and corporations from taking them away from us. (we are doing nothing as a WHOLE)

that is sad makes me very angry.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

Guess I'm the 'out' crowd.

You can go ahead and say, "I'm an American and I'm one of the worst citizens on the planet," if you feel like making a spectacle of yourself here, but don't try to paint me and everyone in the land with your same stinky, overly broad brush. Your ugly nationalist stereotyping disenfranchises Americans who do work hard and sacrifice to do the right thing, and it's just as repellant and brainless as thoughtlessly swallowing and parroting flag-waving propoganda.

I agree with you that the cultural clashes in this world are obvious.

the term american not only applys to the US it applies to the north and south america and the islands off its coast so if your going to bash us calll us what we are which is US
Citizens because not all americans hold US beliefs nor dose the US hold every one elses beliefs even though some claim they do


this isnt about being politcally correct this is about conflict about users and how the instagators arent sufficiently corrected.

well slight type (fixed) supposed to say WORSE OFF not worse (slight change in look BIG change in meaning sorry about that.

When I say american I am refering to the USA not north and south america as a whole. the context of my statement made that quite clear.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

so then what do you call the people who are amercan but dont live in the USA what do they live in some kind of america jr

I am not going to get into a debate of symantics with you. I am in the USA linden labs is in the USA SL is in the USA these forums are in the USA

I have no intentions of "phrasing" myself from now on to say US Americans. I will say it the way I have been saying it. when I am outside the USA I will rephrase otherwise get over it.

its not going to change

I hate when people quibble over insignificant and irrelevant things like this.

its commonly referred to as "nitpicking"

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

by the way its NOT overly common to refer to people by there CONTINENT

People in mexico are called mexicans in canada they are Canadians

in brazil they are brazillians. In Germany they are germans italy they are italians. even though they are also technically Europeans.

go to ANY body of people and say AMERICAN. and then ask what they think you meant by that and 99.999% are very likely to say USA

if you in that other small percentage. too bad.

On top of that your just dead wrong as well. ONLY people in the USA are americans. this continent the last time I check is not called america. its called NORTH AMERICA and the one south of us is .. Oh yeah SOUTH AMERICA

so they are North Americans or South Americans (and I guess you could say CENTRAL AMERICANS) the only "americans" are here in the USA.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/