Griefing Allowed to Continue

Last night Club La Vie en Rose was attacked by someone who was caught. They have been banned for a time. In our club were many ppl and as this person kept tossing out bombs our guests were being sent from the club and even from the sim.

Blake Rockwell came to our aid while we were awaiting help, something had to be done and he did it, he put this person out of our sim. He is turn was reported and now banned.

Here is my note to the Lindens:

It has come to my attention Blake Rockwell has been suspended because he reacted to a griefer. He was in our Club La Vie en Rose and we were attacked ppl were flying all over the place, in and out of the sim.

If at all possible I would like this ban revoked or at least allow me to take the ban for him. I consider what he did an act of kindness, trying to help us out in time of trouble.

Sincerely,
Alliez Mysterio

I respect Blake and thank him for his help. He is truly a great person and respected member of the Communityand what has happened to him is sooo unfair!

To SL I suggest that they suspend scripts that can be used in public communities that can cause damage. if they are allowed, they will be used.

I have to agree with Alliez...This is rediculous that a guy who was helping was banned.....he must be let back into SL It seems he took action to help the people in the sim at the time and is now being sent away because of it.....If some avies were near and got tossed because of it so be it... BRING BLAKE BACK )

Amen. We need to have this discussion. To often, the default is "how can I keep the maximum creativity for scripters but make everyone else jump through hoops to get a simple TOS enforcement?

A simple solution involves charging an account for the use of scripts, the way textures are uploaded for $10. Or billing an account for the draw on the CPU on a sim.

Classic! Red tape in action.

Lindens need to act against Griefer "alts"

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I am the Manager of La Vie en Rose. Last night (4-27) during an event Blake Rockewell reacted to an attack on La Vie en Rose and myself. He used a script to stop a 'Griefer' who was setting off "Bombs" in La Vie en Rose night club. Prior to the attach there were 24 guests in the club. The attack knocked about half totally out of the sim. It knocked me out of SL and damaged my software to the point it was necessary to reinstall SL before I could return to the game.

Granted 2 wrongs don't make a right but had it not been for Blake's reaction others may have suffered similar software damage. The suspension of Blake is totally uncalled for and I both as manager and as a member request the suspension be rescinded immediately and Blakes privileges be reinstated forthwith!

I fully agree with the a ban on any attack scripts in community areas. Such scripts are disabled in Linden areas. It can be done. To ignore this will allow immature and vengeful members to abuse the majority. Failure to act on this matter is tantamount to offically condoning such aberrant behavior!

In addition the current policy of suspending a griefers avatar is a TOOTHLESS TIGER! Face it, no one would use thier primary Avatar to attack another. It is time Linden Labs got tough with these disruptive Children! The avatar that attacked the guests at La Vie en Rose was obviously an ''alt"! While the membership dated to nearly a year ago the profile was totally blank and had only 3 ratings! Credit card information can be easily traced by Linden Labs. When someone attacks an individual or an entity in game ALL AVATARS PAID FOR BY THAT CREDIT CARD SHOULD BE SUSPENDED! Perhaps if the morons who choose to act to disrupt our community are made to suffer REAL CONSEQUENCES instances such as this will be eliminated! And citizens like Blake, will not have to suffer a suspension for defending his friends!

I'd like it graduated a little: Two individual bans, then ban the card number. Just to give a household on one card the chance to clean up thier houshold problems before everyone is screwed.

That said, I do wholeheartedly agree that alts are a major problem inthe greifer arena.

Also, Lindens, please turn back on the default home location for new players. Not being able to teleport an alt home because they never set a home location rather takes the teeth out of the tool, ya kno?

We all know and accept that the Lindens are very busy people. But to ban someone that tried to help out seems a bit sad. Seems lately the Lindens are up to their eyeballs with bugs. So why toss out someone that tried to help that had the know how to help.
A small suggestion is maybe the LIndens should look at getting some... hmmm for the lack of a better word ... bouncers that are allowed to do this sort of thing. Then that will prevent someone trying to be a "good Sam" from being banned for trying to help with those that derive pleasure out of bombing etc.

This is one of the most specious ideas I have ever read on these forums. It would do nothing against griefers, and punish people for creating and using the scripts that help make Second Life interesting. All of a sudden lamps, couches with poses built in, personal animation overriders, every vehicle, every personal shield - and many more things I won't go into here - would have a surcharge. What the hell for?

Cory Linden has already said that in the future, you'll get a slice of script execution resources that scales with the amount of land you have in the sim you are in. There will also be some set aside for visitors, so that vehicles and jetpacks and so forth will continue to work.

I have to admit that I do take issue with a policy of "don't protect yourself" while under attack. Someone elected to bomb the nightclub, disrupt the usage of SL by numerous customers, and another decided to end this attack. I have heard it said that two wrongs don't make a right. This is a completely false statement. Two wrongs were not commited here. The only wrong was commited by the original griefer. What Blake did was a proper response to defend himself and others. The idea that we all sit back and wait to thrown from a sim, forced to relog, or be forced to reinstall to be able to relog is ridiculous.

This was a denial of service attack. We pay for SL, a service provided to us by Linden Labs. When someone comes along and disrupts, or denies, that service they need to be dealt with very harshly. Waiting for a Linden to show up is fine if the attack has stopped. If the attack is in progress, we should be able to defend ourselves. To tell us that we should sit and endure this is a great service to the griefer, but a lousy one to the customers who actually act their age.....

I agree.

I'm wondering where the idea "shooting back == defending one's self" comes from. In RL, this can be true as a matter of drill them before they drill me. In SL, you're not in mortal danger. Unfounded rumours or hardware damage asside, you're property is in no danger either. Defense can be entirely passive. Being pushed? Sit on something. Being "verbally" abused? Mute them. Particle bomb? View --> becaons --> turn off particles.
Effective, though not yet complete, tools for dealing with greifers that will NOT garner you a suspension.

Keep SL Guns Legal.

If we outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.

It's not a matter of mortal danger, it's a matter of being disrespected. It is an injustice and people don't like to feel like they are being subjected to injustice. To deal the same disrespect out to the person who brought it in is just in my opinion.

However, proving that that was the actual chain of events... now that's hard, unless LL is going to record every last thing that goes on.

Wrong thread Prok

"techi wikki ruin everything" threads that way --------->

I'm just appalled at how this could have happened. I know you have a very nice club and I loved your birthday party and the warm welcome, so this just angers me. But its strange for the Lindins to think that some TOS is going to stop us humans from not dealing with these problems. I'm new so I haven't seen this first hand but reading around I can tell this is a problem, something I would say reminds me of a understaffed government working in a war zone, and still along those lines, this is just plain and simple terrorism.

Oh sure no death is involved, but its still a disruption to our second lives here and I don't see how they expect us not to defend ourselves. I'm an American and defending my freedom is just something that is apart of who I am.

hehe I guess I may have gone a bit over the top there, but Alliez is a kind person and I just hate it when things happen to the nice people around me.

Buster, read what the people are writing. Read what the people are writing, and think of solutions. And don't send me to other threads.

I have to say, I agree that Lindens should look into allowing land owners to hire people to do the bouncing. I can see why Blake was suspended (even if I don't agree with it totally), because he did not have the authority to do what he did, yet he did it with good intentions. I think if anything, his suspension should not be as great as the ones that attacked, if he should be suspended at all.

Hmm. Okies. I'll accept that as the answer, even if I can't relate. (Must be a guy thing. Just kiddin', guys. )


Ah, that is quite true. And is, IMHO, the very reason they just suspend a shooter even with mitigating circumstances.

Since when is defending yourself or defending someone who is less able to defend themselves a criminal offense? It seems there were enough people at the Rue at the time to be able to know who started the bombing and who defended the good people who were only trying to have a nice time. The bomber should be expelled, not the one who tried to stop it. Is Bizarro world coming to SL ?

Thank you Blake for manning up and doing what was right. I believe that you would have done this anyway, even knowing the consequence, and for that I have to bestow my highest admiration and respect. For whoever bombed the Rue, I sincerely hope you are banned through your IP address so that you are never able to wreck havoc again.

Just my two cents... take it or leave it.

Maybe he shouldn't have responded by blowing the griefer out of the sim. That makes him... a griefer!

That's like saying maybe the U.S. shouldn't shoot a Terrorist, that makes them a Terrorist!

Oh purlease.

This is Second Life. Not Real Life. Guns do no more than throw you a few hundred meters. A relog at best. Don't be so over dramatic.

Ditto.

Even then, that's over-kill isolationist tactics.

Mono will make scripts run hundreds of times faster and the only way a person can lag a sim is if they run a bunch of unfiltered listens. I can understand charging for texture uploads since they take a physical space and occupy it for a time (if not indefinately) and I can understand parceling prims since they're a fundamental and limited resource...

but CPU's keep cycling and the scripts keep running because there is no end to them.. time isn't a scarce resource and scripts are already sliced out and que'd (sp?).

Talk about limiting the SL experience. Slap a monetary value on pixel space why doncha. "You're avatar is laggin my client, you should be taxed for me looking at you."

Oh and by the way, the griefer ended up killing the hosts software sytem of some sort, that is permanent damage to his system and is a liablity of whom? Software cost money and disruption and or crashing of it with permanent damage constitutes a law suit. Trader1 Whiplash was effect monetarily and his hosting or whatever system that was effected because he got blown into next week. I would not take that lightly at all.