Ok just a teeny little rant - please don't call me "girl".

I feel there are certain behaviors that are strictly between couples, private and not meant to be a style of conversing with everyone.

Dearly Darling,

If any man came into my home and called me a beast even in jest he would be ordered out of my house. That's flirting? I don't get it.

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger

This is a little rant, not too bad I think.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Gorean roleplay, I run a bdsm social club, we have lots of Gorean members too. This isn't about being Gorean but it is a habit that seems to be common among Gorean Masters. I'm talking about calling every submissive female "girl".

Some of us don't like it, dont want to respond to it and frankly are made uncomfortable with having to find a polite way to tell you to stop without getting your egos all fired up.

If you do call me girl and I politely correct you with something like "I really prefer to not be called girl, thank you." there is a right way and a wrong way to handle it and keep things civil. The right way would be to simply say, "alright" and let it go. The wrong way would be to question me about why it bothers me or to attempt to force me to accept it by reminding me (as if I dont already know) that I'm a submissive. The worst thing you can do is laugh at me and inform me that you will refer to me any way you choose. That will likely have your ass either ejected out of my sim or publicly mocked.

I have friends who call themselves girl, who are fine with others calling them girl, but it isn't reasonable to assume that all women feel the same way about it.

So a few phrases to not call me:
girl (grown woman here)
lil one (way too personal and again, grown woman)
slave (I am not one, do not assume I am, sub does not equal slave)

A few things never to say to me:
You don't act like a submissive. (No I don't, because you aren't my Master)
You aren't a true submissive. (Who the hell are you to decide that?)
I will speak to your Master about this/you/etc. (go for it, he'll tell you to suck it up and deal with me)

I understand that everyone has their own guidelines they choose to live by or roleplay by, but it bugs me when others assume I must live by theirs.

Ok there, rant over...ty so much for listening. You may return to your regularly scheduled rants and dramas.

This is a gor concept and i am not gor.

As a Long time Mistress (SL and RL) and Former Gorean, I've Noted this Ongoing problem with the On Line Gor Community. The problem being the Inability to comprehend the concept that Not everyone understands or adheres to Gorean conventions or standards of behaviour. Mostly, they seem Unable to seperate the concept of what is a sub from what is a slave. SUBS ARE NOT SLAVES. Unlike slaves, Subs can submit to either Many, Or just one. Subs have Signifigant Input into the form, and nature of their submission. They are active Partners in their relationship in a way Different from that of a slave.

When i was (Frequently) in areas Outside the Gor community, People hardly Knew i was Gorean unless i spoke to one of my slaves. I Kept my Lifestyle confined to those persons with whom i shared it. My slaves, and my Community. That is one of the traits that has allowed me to make Many friends Outside of Gor who are completely comfortable with who, and what i am. anyone else was Treated in the fashion that semed appropriate to their Venue, but ALL were treated with Courtesy. Unfortunately, Among the Goreans has grown an adherance to Role Play bordering on the delusional. This is not true of the Majority, but it Does form a signifigant presence, and to my mind at least, a near constant embarassment (One of several reasons i no longer directly associate myself with some of the Gor Sims).

Allana, you have my Full Support, and should we ever meet in-game, you can be assured i will address you as you wish to be Addressed.

Angel.

I think one of the underlining problem is that alot of people don't know the difference between a slave and a submissive. They are both very different things.
Though in Gor there is no such thing as a submissive all those who do RP in Gor but go outside Gor sims should learn the different and respect it.

That's part of the culture of Gor. If you don't like it, you need to not be in it.

P2

Several people have mentioned this already, but what REALLY ticks me off, is that if you go into a Gor sim you have a really long list of rules that if not followed gets you banned real quick.

Gor isnt a culture.. its a bunch of shit books.

I can understand completely!

I've lost count of the number of times people have thought I was a dog or puppy, and started treating me that way. They'd do things like pick me up or pet me... without even bothering to read my profile which clearly stated at the time I was roleplaying a *WILD WOLF*.

It usually worked out OK, I even avoided biting them most of the time. Eventually I quit roleplaying as a wolf because when you do, either people are afraid of you and won't go near you at all, or they're far too friendly, too fast. People that are wary at first but relax around you as they get to know you are few and far between.

Having said that, I was roleplaying a wolf in Gorean sims at the time (yes, I'm very much aware this directly goes against their "adult human avatars only" rules... but I had special permission from the owners of the sims I did it in to break those rules). Because Gor is based on 'natural law', might makes right. One time, a Gorean master walked by while I was snuggling with a (IIRC) sad slave girl. He kicked my char lots of times. So much for the Gorean "true masters find peace, they are not cruel". My policy now is : if someone does something like that I will give back as much as I get. In combat zones, I will use my safezone-compatible claws to kill their character. In non-combat zones, I will pee all over them, and then make use of the fact I can run far faster than they can! >:]
Sure deflates their ego, that does.
Gotta love things that animals can get away with

Good post Allana, I remember the first time I met a gorean.. in MY HOUSE.. and he chewed me up for calling him Sir (not Master as is the policy in Gor for all Dom's).. People have to learn to respect the rules of the land they are on. Makes me chuckle when I see gorean slaves call D/s Domme's Mistress ( or Dom's Master ) in D/s environments.. inevitably they get chewed out.

i also hate being told if i was a "true slave" i would not use the use the word i, me or mine. This is a gor concept and i am not gor.

Makes me chuckle when I see gorean slaves call D/s Domme's Mistress ( or Dom's Master ) in D/s environments.. inevitably they get chewed out.

Out of curiousity how should Domme's be addressed if not Mistress? Miss? Ma'am?

Actually its not a Gor concept, anyone who has read one of the Gor novels can tell you that slaves usually speak in the first person, say I, me and mine all the time and that the third person speech typically used online is very rare in the books.

Normal ettiquette in a D/s environment is Sir, Lady, Ma'am or Miss. Master and Mistress being reserved for the owner of the sub/slave.

Out of curiousity how should Domme's be addressed if not Mistress? Miss? Ma'am?

I think it can also be up to the Dom/me being addressed. If a sub/slave doesn't know, IMs can be used to determine. Or read profiles where it is often mentioned

Varying in general:Ma'am, (m')Lady, Miss, Sir, (m')Lord