Ok just a teeny little rant - please don't call me "girl".

This is a little rant, not too bad I think.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Gorean roleplay, I run a bdsm social club, we have lots of Gorean members too. This isn't about being Gorean but it is a habit that seems to be common among Gorean Masters. I'm talking about calling every submissive female "girl".

Some of us don't like it, dont want to respond to it and frankly are made uncomfortable with having to find a polite way to tell you to stop without getting your egos all fired up.

If you do call me girl and I politely correct you with something like "I really prefer to not be called girl, thank you." there is a right way and a wrong way to handle it and keep things civil. The right way would be to simply say, "alright" and let it go. The wrong way would be to question me about why it bothers me or to attempt to force me to accept it by reminding me (as if I dont already know) that I'm a submissive. The worst thing you can do is laugh at me and inform me that you will refer to me any way you choose. That will likely have your ass either ejected out of my sim or publicly mocked.

I have friends who call themselves girl, who are fine with others calling them girl, but it isn't reasonable to assume that all women feel the same way about it.

So a few phrases to not call me:
girl (grown woman here)
lil one (way too personal and again, grown woman)
slave (I am not one, do not assume I am, sub does not equal slave)

A few things never to say to me:
You don't act like a submissive. (No I don't, because you aren't my Master)
You aren't a true submissive. (Who the hell are you to decide that?)
I will speak to your Master about this/you/etc. (go for it, he'll tell you to suck it up and deal with me)

I understand that everyone has their own guidelines they choose to live by or roleplay by, but it bugs me when others assume I must live by theirs.

Ok there, rant over...ty so much for listening. You may return to your regularly scheduled rants and dramas.

I'm going to speak to your master about this, girl, you clearly aren't a true submissive because no slave would act this way.



Sorry, I couldn't fit all six "no nos" into one sentance, even with a comma.

That's part of the culture of Gor. If you don't like it, you need to not be in it.

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Bizarre. There are people out there who think that just because someone is sub and accept a diminutive in one aspect of their lives, they will be sub in all of them?

*aims finger over eject button* Oh wait can't do that here. hmph.

this is funny though

Thats my point, I'm not Gorean.

<bumpersticker>U-boats do it better</bumpersticker>

Omg yes...many. And can't comprehend it when I say that I choose to be submissive to only one person and no other ever.

Then you're obviously not a true submissive! *duck*

No, Allana, you're absolutely right. I've encountered this arrogant line of thinking too often, too. On the bright side, it lets you know right quick who to not waste your time on.

Yes my lil one. I will tell who ever bothers me, go speak with girl. (While I look them over for scratchmarks )

*kisss* lmao

"lil one" I never should have admitted to him how much that expression bugged me.... Ladies, never ever give your man amunition! grrr hehehe

I have to agree i hate being called girl as i am in my 40s. i also hate being told if i was a "true slave" i would not use the use the word i, me or mine. This is a gor concept and i am not gor.
I was rather shocked to say the least when a gorean master came to Our adult play sim and addressed me as beast!!!! This was after i greeted him with "greetings Sir welcome to and then i greeted his slave by her name. When Master asked him why was he calling me a beast (we had not met before) he then said oh you rather i call her s***. Well he ran before Master could give him lesson in manners and his "beast" told us how in gor all slaves are beasts and she was sorry if we were offended. Last time i looked we were not a gor area.

AR'-able offense there, crude harassing language.

The other thing with Goreans is that they think their own rules (they usually spam one at you) supersede the ToS. I think the admins and whoever runs these groups are more to blame in this case than the newbie Gorean.

I'm thinking that it doesn't matter whether you are sub or not, being called a 'girl' is still annoying, same goes for 'Little Lady'.

eh they can call me girl
i can call them a**hole

i figure it all works out in the end

I can understand completely!

I've lost count of the number of times people have thought I was a dog or puppy, and started treating me that way. They'd do things like pick me up or pet me... without even bothering to read my profile which clearly stated at the time I was roleplaying a *WILD WOLF*.

It usually worked out OK, I even avoided biting them most of the time. Eventually I quit roleplaying as a wolf because when you do, either people are afraid of you and won't go near you at all, or they're far too friendly, too fast. People that are wary at first but relax around you as they get to know you are few and far between.

Having said that, I was roleplaying a wolf in Gorean sims at the time (yes, I'm very much aware this directly goes against their "adult human avatars only" rules... but I had special permission from the owners of the sims I did it in to break those rules). Because Gor is based on 'natural law', might makes right. One time, a Gorean master walked by while I was snuggling with a (IIRC) sad slave girl. He kicked my char lots of times. So much for the Gorean "true masters find peace, they are not cruel". My policy now is : if someone does something like that I will give back as much as I get. In combat zones, I will use my safezone-compatible claws to kill their character. In non-combat zones, I will pee all over them, and then make use of the fact I can run far faster than they can! >:]
Sure deflates their ego, that does.
Gotta love things that animals can get away with

Oh!

Well, in that case, feel free to call them fucktards.



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Dearly Darling,

That is terrible! The true nature of a man is how he treats and old dog. Kicking any animal is flat out wrong. Here in SL that is very rude behavior with many people being various life forms. I'm not into the Gor culture either...terribly pedestrian books. I read one. It is in my top ten of worst books ever #22 Dancer of Gor.

I'm a little confused by what you are calling exclusive submissive culture. In dog packs all Beta dogs will be submissive to Alphas and there can be more than one in a pack. It gets ugly of course. Are you just not really describing a tradtional man dominant relationship? Would you mind explaining in more detail please?

Ever Yours,

Mrs. Showdog Tiger

Why all this devotion to one bizarre lopsided sci-fi version of how things should be? We should have more choice in this arena. Hasn't anyone started Aristasia yet?

Hahahaha, Ananda!

Hell, I don't like supremacy in either gender but I'd be willing to do it just to f*ck with people's heads.

The thing is, I understand and respect that if I go into a Gorean sim there are certain behaviors that would be expected of me. Since I'm not comfortable with those behaviors I've made it a habit to avoid Gorean sims while still managing to maintain a few more well rounded Gorean friends. I don't go to them because I feel it would be rude to openly defy their methods.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the same in the sims I help manage which are open to everyone. We're not Gorean so while we respect that a Master and slave should be able to speak to each other any way they like, we expect them to follow our guidelines when dealing with us. But this shouldn't have to be explained every single time we meet someone. Shouldn't it be common sense?

I get the feeling she's going to be in the habit of apologizing for him fairly often.