Cat lady hooker 'tude at the SexGen store

brandi, do transexuals consider themselves gay? ive have wondered this.

I'm a bit confused as to the turn this thread took. I might have misread, but I thought I saw parallels being drawn between "gender bending" and homosexuality. I don't see the connection. In my mind the two are completely separate.

Further, "gender bending" and transexualism are two very different veins. As with everything realating to sexuality both are done for a variety of reasons. (this topic is way beyond the scope of this thread) I suspect that any complexities involved in RL are further complicated by a virtual world. The virtual environment allows people to be whatever they want very easily. Where as in RL genderbending and transexualism require a little more of a commitment to living a certain lifestyle. In SL people can easily adopted a skin and feel comfortable in all situations in that skin.

What of RL heterosexual couples, or sL for that matter, that play with gender roles. Even at times going as far as role reversal, with the aid of toys of course! Does this define the orientation of either party?

I agree with what Aleister and Brenda have said about taking the avi at face value. It's a game, a virtual world. If you can't stand not knowing for sure you can't play sexually, because you never will know for sure.

Some do. Some don't.

brandi, do transexuals consider themselves gay? ive have wondered this.

The connection was brought up due to the fact that Gender bending and its effects on actual lesbians. It was brought up in response to Aleister's points which were basically just a rehash of the old "All SL lesbians are RL men" stereotype.

Thats the only connection between Gender Bender Pretenders and homosexuality brought up in the thread. I personally am less concerned about their orientation and more concerned how it affects women who actually are bi or lesbian.

I was specifically refering to Gender Benders Pretenders. Transexuals are a seperate thing.

The Virtual face value idea is a nice one, however it isnt what happens. Some people take others at face value, while others want to, and still others only want some sort of verified reality.

brandi, do transexuals consider themselves gay? ive have wondered this.

do you?

I've always treated this according to their target gender, and I thought that was considered the correct, polite way to understand things.

For example, a male-to-female transexual who prefers women would be lesbian, while a female-to-male transexual whoh prefers women would be straight.

I'm trans? News to me.

(And my kids - wee medical miracles they are.)

Generally speaking, it depends on rather or not they are gay. For the most part, a male to female ts who is attracted to women considers herself a lesbian. If she is attracted to men she considers herself straight. This logic would apply to female to male transexuals as well.

There is much confusion among some male admirers of male to female ts's as to rather or not they are gay for being attracted to t-girls. The answer to that is in the eye of the beholder I guess. Men that consider them selves gay are generally not attracted to MtoF t's, and plenty of the men attracted to t-girls are not attracted to men at all.

Oh, and obviously a ts attracted to both sexes and/or other ts's would be bisexual.

Again, all this further complicated by the who, what, when and wear of the person on the other side of the avi....

In a virtual sense, I'd say a male avi having sex with a male avi is homosexual regardless of the RL people behind each of the avi's. You can apply this logic to any other possible scenario involving SL sex.

How's that for complicated?

well you replied to the initial question as if you were.

Don't begin to compare it to people's color of skin, it's not about that. But I knew you would run to make comparisons to that as it's the first thing they do when a gay person comes into any type of situation. You always see this same thing, no matter what or where it has happened.

This is about you and what happened. You complained about a hooker. Not so much what she did as that seem to be very secondary but about the fact she was a hooker. You put a main emphasis on what she was. Yeah, well, the truth is you are in the same boat in a certain way as you too are shun by main society.

I'm not getting into any politics here on your rights or anything like it. I'm merely pointing out if you put your sexual prefrence on public display and by the way that's your business and no one else, then don't bitch when someone says something to you. You know better then anyone else how you're viewed by many people. This isn't a derogatory statement, it's the truth and you yourself know this better then anyone.

Don't give me any lectures on you're the same as everyone cause you're not. You've come a long way in society but you're still not as accepted as a hooker herself would be. This isn't just my views, this is the plain truth without sugarcoating it or saying what's politically correct to say or what I should say.


As far as if two straight people were surrounded by gays would it be ok for them to harass them. The answer would be no of course but then again, two straight people are what society considers acceptable behavior.

I won't ever say what I don't mean nor will I ever sugarcoat anything. I'm a realist, I call it how it is and how I see it. I won't be a hypocrite and say things I'm expected to say just to be one of the rest. Now, whatever you think of me or what I am doesn't really matter as I don't care. Same as you probably don't care about my statements.

So be it.

Don't begin to compare it to people's color of skin, it's not about that. But I knew you would run to make comparisons to that as it's the first thing they do when a gay person comes into any type of situation. You always see this same thing, no matter what or where it has happened.

This is about you and what happened. You complained about a hooker. Not so much what she did as that seem to be very secondary but about the fact she was a hooker. You put a main emphasis on what she was. Yeah, well, the truth is you are in the same boat in a certain way as you too are shun by main society.

I'm not getting into any politics here on your rights or anything like it. I'm merely pointing out if you put your sexual prefrence on public display and by the way that's your business and no one else, then don't bitch when someone says something to you. You know better then anyone else how you're viewed by many people. This isn't a derogatory statement, it's the truth and you yourself know this better then anyone.

Don't give me any lectures on you're the same as everyone cause you're not. You've come a long way in society but you're still not as accepted as a hooker herself would be. This isn't just my views, this is the plain truth without sugarcoating it or saying what's politically correct to say or what I should say.


As far as if two straight people were surrounded by gays would it be ok for them to harass them. The answer would be no of course but then again, two straight people are what society considers acceptable behavior.

I won't ever say what I don't mean nor will I ever sugarcoat anything. I'm a realist, I call it how it is and how I see it. I won't be a hypocrite and say things I'm expected to say just to be one of the rest. Now, whatever you think of me or what I am doesn't really matter as I don't care. Same as you probably don't care about my statements.

So be it.

As far as if two straight people were surrounded by gays would it be ok for them to harass them. The answer would be no of course but then again, two straight people are what society considers acceptable behavior.

it was the SexGen store. It's /what is done there/, by straights, gays, and hermaphroditic twelve-meter-tall dragons.

Oy, you're giving me a headache. I gotta go lie down somewhere.

Just another one of the many services I provide with a smile.

Giving the headache, or making it go away?

Looks like some people are seriously lacking the humour gene...

It's a good marketing technique to cause the headache, then dangle the cure...