Cat lady hooker 'tude at the SexGen store

What does one person selling their pixellated body have to do with another being attracted to people of their same sex?

he means "if youre gay, obviously you should not care if females taunt you". unless he has a better explaination.

I think you miss my points entirely.

Hopefully they arent lost on others.

Gay, straight, bi, whatever, we're all human and having someone taunt you can still have an effect. Ketter chooses to be mostly amused, but that doesn't mean the sort of behavior he described couldn't be viewed as annoying or even hurtful by others.

Your points made sense. I'm just saying that the same points apply for gays, and oddly there are way more lesbians than gays in SL. Well, perhaps homosexual women are more attracted to virtual worlds than homosexual men, who knows.

The pretenders I know more often claim to be bi, but then never ever date men (male avs). I think this is to avoid explaining their total lack of any knowledge about lesbians beyond what they see on a Pron Movie.

Of course many female avs who date other female avs are men. Thats part of the problem. It is what I meant by many women feeling the lesbian community has been co-opted by men who are pretenders.

This was one of the running arguements back when there was a Lesbian Second Life group. And possibly one of the reasons it was closed.

Many actual women avoid the dating scene for just that reason. They arent interested in dating men pretending to be women. Thus of course the dating scene will have a higher number of pretenders. Its a rather simple equation.

While those who are just here for the party dont see any concern - try to remember this sort of thing makes large numbers of people suspect of those who did nothing to deserve it.

Do you really think its fair that any women who puts she is a lesbain on her profile is assumed to be a man, becuase men fake being lesbians in Second Life?

True, that's not really fair. Today I overheard a groupchat where an unverified guy tried to talk the group members into depositing money at his newly founded SL bank, with the promise to pay out weekly interest. It's totally possible that he really wanted to found an SL bank, and perhaps it was unfair of me to suspect a scam.

I'd put it like this: let's assume the number of "male lesbians" would only be 20%. If I had a car that failed to start 20% of the time, I wouldn't rely on it when I had to get to an important meeting. It's still good enough for a weekend trip though.
That's how SL relationships can be treated too. With a healthy amount of doubt and without getting too involved or attached.

Fundamental fact of SL:

You know what the avatar is; you don't know what the person behind the avatar is.

Fundamental fact of the Internet in general:

On the Internet, no-one has to know you're an airedale.

Or a creep.

If that bothers you, don't do it. I'll flirt with or compliment a female avatar for fun, but I don't do cybersex because, actually, it does bother me.

Certain tricks work fairly well. My current version of the gender test, for which immediate answers are required (no time to look things up):

What brand, size, and SHADE of pantyhose do you wear?

Referencing Maxi Pads with Wings - who makes them, and what are the wings for?

Last question is a visual - I put up the image of an eyelash curler. Devastatingly effective.

All that to one side, I've known my partner as friend, then best friend, and now lover for more than two years online. If she's not a woman, I'll eat my eyelash curler.

So, in other words...

If Cat Lady "puts out on display" the fact she's an idiot, I can respond however I choose since I'm intolerant of dumb*ss comments towards me and the BF for minding our own business and doing what everybody else is allowed to do in the store?

Therefore, according to your logic, this means she should be prepared to handle whatever comes her way for "putting out on display" the fact that she's an idiot?

In that case, I'm SO letting the BF kick her ass in the middle of the store the next time we run into her. I might even take pics and upload them here.

Thanks for the excellent advice, Cole!

Have to agree, both with him and the poster he was responding to. As they used to say in the Roman Colisseum: Let the games begin...http://forums.secondlife.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

That's NOT fair.
I don't wear pantyhose AT ALL if I can avoid it, and the only pairs I got are, uh, opaque black. Don't remember brand, size or anything....
And I HATE pads. With or without wings. I do cups only. And i can't USE an eyelash curler because my eyelashes are too short. I would probably hurt myself. Okay, but I would recognise one.

Does that make me pass the test?

Oh, and the next time i see a gay couple of any gender testing stuff, I'll go cheer. I'm bi. And I am NOT a guy! Seriously!

Odd. Most of the people I've talked to who have brought up pantyhose were guys.

I don't wear them. I'm on the gulf coast, Texas, too humid as it is. But right now I'm wearing Target cotton socks that are white although you can't tell as they barely come up to my boot tops. I do have some tights though for the winter though.

All I'm saying is not every test is perfect. I've found there are certain phrases and slang guys tend to use that I've yet to hear as commonly with my group of girlfriends.

So a mix of tests and common sense and often just asking right out helps.

Yeah, I can be very blunt at times, as my g/f puts it.

For the record, the only online "games" that any one has ever asked my sexual preference in has been WoW, SL and CoH/V. I've not seen rampant lesbianism in Star Wars, must be on the wrong server.

Care to share? I'm kind of curious.

And slightly back on topic: Do these animations only come with beds and chairs or is there a kitchen counter option with sweeping the appliances onto the floor feature?

Considering the topic was lesbians, there are going to be many who are more butch than your test takes into consideration. They wont wear panyhose and certainly not use eyebrow curlers. Of course not everyone likes butch women.

As to your other question there are Always knockoffs which make copies of any idea.

I dated a real man hating lesbian for a time - she had a test that was about 100 questions. My coments in my earlier posts, however, were less on how to spot a pretender- and more concerning the impact they have.

My comments were less on individual relationships and more on the effect on any sense of community among Lesbians in Second Life.

Several Attempts to make such community tighter knit have been derailed, helped along by a healthy dose of attitudes such as you described.

I wasn't talking about the cat lady putting anything on display. I was referring to the gay couple. I said if they put their sexual prefrence on display by what they were doing or whatever else then they have to handle whatever comments come their way.

They know they're not accepted by everyone in todays society whether in sl or rl. So if they display whatever it is that shows who they are then expect different comments many times. Just as what happened in this shop with them, this isn't anything new. You have to believe this happens alot.

As far as my other comment of the guys complaining of a hooker and meanwhile they're gay. I meant, in the grand scheme of things, they're both practically in the same boat in many ways.

I only date people who are both genders. Wonder what type of test I need for that would be?
Most of Lesibians I have known only few would know anything about eye lash curlers and panty hose.
In fact from my dealings with them if you were into pantyhose, make up, etc they think you weren't real Lesbian any way. They would think you were either a drag queen or bisexual.

Oh blah blah blah. Cat Lady (and you now) are putting your adolescent behaviors on display and it now officially broadly offends me rather than amuse me. Therefore, you need to step back, re-read the start of this message string and figure out what it REALLY means sociopolitically.

N-O-T-H-I-N-G



Oh really. How nice of you to compare me to a prostitute.

Since I'm practically in the same boat as a hooker, the next time I "get paid" for homosexual activity, I'll make sure I loan you some L$ to buy a clue and a sense of humor.

And now I remember why I hate contributing to forums like this. Some people would rather argue pointless, silly and humorous crap as serious drama to death until you can't remember what you found funny about the experience in the first place.

Bite me, Cole. Your reality sucks (and probably doesn't get paid for it).

Jack@ss baiter.

So if a man kisses his male partner in public, he deserves to be harassed by bystanders? Would that work the other way round too: if you happen to be surrounded by gays when you kiss your girlfriend, do you deserve to be punished for not fitting in?



People with a different sexual preference than yours didn't have much of a choice. Just like people with another skin color than yours. By your logic, an afro-american or chinese couple would have had it coming too.

As for the gender-bending issue: I didn't suggest any kind of test. The opposite: take the virtual world as what it is, be aware that you'll never know the person behind the keyboard and act accordingly, i.e. view cybersex as online fun that better stays online. Don't expect to find an RL partner on the grid, avoid the big crush and don't try to x-ray someone's RL background.

Ya know? I doubt seriously whether the cat lady in RL really has pointy ears and a dangly tail wearing a placard saying "Stop me and buy one".
Similarly, I wouldn't think our OP walks around in the street in a pink Liberace tuxedo with lace cuffs and collars.
In fact I'd imagine the two people could quite easily walk past each other in RL without even batting an eyelid.
SL allows us to drop the everyday mask, or alternatively, put one on. SL should really enable us to drop all the fences and just get on. Now, the cat lady *may* have just been staging a reaction. Our OP admittedly says this may be the case and takes it in good humour.
There really was no serious harm done, but comparing one persons sexuality to someone else's 'profession' is nonsense.

I was going to say something in defence of gender bender pretenders too but Aleister covers it excellently in the last post

That should be a sticky, and a notecard handed out at Orientation.

I'm a bit confused as to the turn this thread took. I might have misread, but I thought I saw parallels being drawn between "gender bending" and homosexuality. I don't see the connection. In my mind the two are completely separate.

Further, "gender bending" and transexualism are two very different veins. As with everything realating to sexuality both are done for a variety of reasons. (this topic is way beyond the scope of this thread) I suspect that any complexities involved in RL are further complicated by a virtual world. The virtual environment allows people to be whatever they want very easily. Where as in RL genderbending and transexualism require a little more of a commitment to living a certain lifestyle. In SL people can easily adopted a skin and feel comfortable in all situations in that skin.

What of RL heterosexual couples, or sL for that matter, that play with gender roles. Even at times going as far as role reversal, with the aid of toys of course! Does this define the orientation of either party?

I agree with what Aleister and Brenda have said about taking the avi at face value. It's a game, a virtual world. If you can't stand not knowing for sure you can't play sexually, because you never will know for sure.