How often do you see yourself using v-chat? A more detailed Poll

You come off as one of those "somebodys". Quick to look for ways to "out" people for something. That usually stems from their own inferiority complex. Cause if you don't have your own BS to escape you wouldn't need the solace of identifying someone else's.

And how exactly does one BS someone else that they are smart or articulate, in text or otherwise? Exactly how many illiterate William Buckleys have you run across in your famed existence? I beg to differ. It was tremendously easy to weed through this post I replied to with no voice in sight. So how about you sell your computer? Or quit using the term 'wack-job' to describe other people with different opinions while you're busy trying to shake vocal interaction out of a machine rather than going outside yourself.

So my Plantronics DSP headset is a figment of my imagination then?

Why is it, you think, that when a man compliments a woman or indirectly mentions notice to her (like your above-comment), that it's readily assumed he was hitting on her?

I'm just curious. I know you weren't hitting on me. If anything, you were tugging on the real Siouxsiesioux's tampon string. But, who wouldn't? I mean. It's Siouxsiesioux!

And yes, she is pretty great. I admit to not listening to her as much as I did (when I was 15), but it's my internet moniker that I've had since the nineties (when I was 15), so there ya go.

Rock on!

I must've really struck a nerve. That's too bad.

Since I'm not a licensed Psychiatrist, I suggest you speak to someone who is. Sorry I can't be of more help to you.

so outside of the meeting thing, which is a good idea (thats why if ts important, we use skype, which is free), you recommend and encourage lying?
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sighs how about this? its no ones buisness whom i chose to use voice with. if you life hinges on me using vchat or not, may i suggest gettin a life?

Yet another of the misguided pro-voice group who hilariously believes that the best way to refute a point is to immediately display the behavior that inspired it.

Next time, don't provide self made psychological profiles and pepper them with your own technical terms like wack-job. Helps avoid having to backpedal about your professional expertise in that area.

Help me by helping yourself. When I pick up that psychiatrist's number and forward to you, make the call.

Because militant lesbians in comfy shoes have spent 20 years and more crying "oppression" every time a man compliments a woman. Hence the reason there are so many Bridgette Jones types out there complaining they can't find love.

Sorry I stepped out for lunch so I'll have to play catchup...



No. It's not that they aren't worthy of consideration. It's that they're speculations posed as fact and are thus giving people a pre-conceived notion of how things will come to pass potentially CAUSING the discrimination prophecies to happen.

I have heard no proof to the contrary that there will be sweeping discrimination against non-voicers. There is always going to be a bad apple in the bunch and there will always be confrontations and whatnot, but that can't be blamed on v-chat. It can be blamed on the people that perpetrate it.



I'd like to see an example of that!



I never said that at all. I said that for every negative situation that occurs related to voice I can pose a positive situation that occurred because of v-chat.



See above for indication of your inaccurate statements.

Because women are understandably skeptical of men they don't know that make personal, off topic, comments as their first correspondence on a chat board.



That's way... icky.



I wouldn't... tug her tampon string, that is. I would loan her cab fare... um, or gladly treat her to sushi, and Budgie too. Total respect. We're both married couples, after all.



Hm. Well, that would make me much closer to her age than your age. The first time I saw her I was about 20, and that was almost 20 years ago. The last time I saw her was maybe a year or two ago (twice with Banshees, twice with Creatures, and once as "Siouxsie Sings" playing both catalogues)



Rock on, indeed.

I am really worried about you. I looked up your symptoms and found the below:

schiz·o·phre·ni·a /ˌskɪtsəˈfriniə, -ˈfrinyə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[skit-suh-free-nee-uh, -freen-yuh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Psychiatry. Also called dementia praecox. a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations.
2. a state characterized by the coexistence of contradictory or incompatible elements.

In addition, you may want to check out this website: http://www.schizophrenia-help.com/

I mean it, I really can't help you. I wish I could, but I'm not a Dr.

I wish you well in your endeavors.

Siouxsiesioux Banshee

hehe...you don't know her very well, do you? Her blunt manner is in no way compensating for anything. She just calls it like she sees it without being concerned about other peoples' feelings. That's why I love her!



There are plenty of people out there that know big words but barely know how to use them. They usually end up resorting to insults and personal barbs when their cover is blown.

You're not working to hard on proving her opinion wrong, either.



I think you're projecting. You started with the psychiatric evaluations.

Can we get back to the subject, though?

I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself. There's a big difference between the occasional altercation (which happens plenty in SL already) and sweeping alienation and the creation of a class system (voicers vs. typers).

Voice hasn't been around long enough to see such a thing happen. Going into the situation with pre-conceived notions is bound to cause more damage than the outcome you're worrying about!

I didn't refer to an occasional altercation, but referenced one of many in an overhaul bitchy, 30+ minute conversation, involving about fifteen people at a very popular, very public area. Nor am I trying to invest in any class paranoia. I reported an incident as I witnessed it, and believe me, it was just about the shittiest, most intimidating thing I've witnessed at a welcome area, which is quite something after over a year helping out at them from time to time, and after just a few days of voice going live on the main grid.
Who are YOU to say I went into this situation with pre-conceived notions? How do YOU know what outcome I am worrying about? Please STOP making assumptions about my point of view, my intentions for relaying a downright nasty situation, and my experience with voice so far (which goes right back to the beta grid TYVM).

If I know sod all about voice, then neither do you. That reasoning works whichever way you flip the coin.

This whole voice vs no voice thing has really become such a divisive issue! It totally dominates the forum lately. Seems you can hardly have another conversation.

Gwyneth Llewelyn covers most angles pretty well in one of her blog posts. But you have to read through a few thousands words of set-up before she begins to get to her point:

http://gwynethllewelyn.net/article147visual1layout1.html


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Based on the poll results, I'd say the concept of integrated voice in SL is broadly offensive!

Voice will be here soon, that much is clear. I won't use it regularly and certainly not for roleplay. Maybe to heckle DJs though *teases*

That poll is as unscientific as any news site poll, which are obligated to point this out to readers. The people most inclined to reply to such a poll are the people who are opposed to it, and people who are not have little incentive to engage you... and see what they get n return if they do take the time?

Even as we sit right under the nose of a poll created by one of the loudest pro-voice proponents indicating that over 50% of the polled user base will NEVER use voice and another 35% or so will RARELY ever use it, bringing the total to almost 90% percent of the polled base that will NEVER or RARELY ever use voice, we still get these ridiculous arguments from the 10% percent pro-voice minority.

And to try to dismiss the poll as a small sample is also ridiculous since this poll is just another of dozens of threads in every forum or blog coming to the same conclusion. When combining all of these mediums saying over and over again that the majority of the population does not want voice one can only come to the conclusion that these pro-voice proponents are simply trolling for no other reason than to annoy.

Give it up already. It is not coming because you, Mr or Mrs pro-voicer, are successful at making a compelling argument to support your case. It is simply coming because of the influence and capital wielded by the minority corporate and tekkie types.

They want it, and so it will be.

What you refuse to see is the fact that my arguement isn't based on predictions (good or bad) but on potential and being open to the possibilities.

It's also based on the fact that it's optional. Don't use it if you don't want to. That's fine!

I would be using v-chat regularly if there were language classes in SL that I could attend.

Aside from that, I typically keep it off.

I didn't know using something "rarely" is the same as not using it at all. That's quite a liberal interpretation of the numbers there!

Please read back through the thread. I've addressed this already.

Also, I'm not "pro-voice" I'm "anti-crying-about-how-bad-voice-will-be". I don't care if you want to use voice or not but don't try to assert your preferences on others.



Considering you see the same 20 or so people at each of these forums and blogs I don't think this is a very accurate measurement of the majority of SL residents.

Just because it's printed doesn't make it fact...or even a majority opinion! Don't fall into the consumerism trap!



I guess all those people that have been using Skype for all these years had nothing to do with it...no, LL couldn't have noticed that!

Why do you feel driven to hate this new OPTIONAL tool that's being implemented with little or no stress to the existing system? Why can't you just choose not to use it because you don't want to and leave it at that??

Still think they need to focus on current problems, thats the onyl reason I am against voice chat right now.

There is far to much lag and bugs, and adding this just going add more problems.

Linden Fix current lag and bug issues before adding new features which will cause more lag and bugs.

...Yawn...

I was looking back through all of the older voice threads, because I didn't really remember any of them being quite so vicious and indeed they weren't. There really wasn't much of the "pro-voice vs no-voice" fighting, or nothing that escalated quite so badly, mostly just differing viewpoints.

These threads aren't getting out of hand because of the topic, it's just one person trolling most of them and attacking and mocking the participants for their differing opinions.

OMG! There it is! Egads! Just when I (I mean we) thought we were safe and sitting pretty, someone set up us the bomb!

Highly impressed as I am with your ability to cut and paste, your earth-shattering failure to connect up even one symptom described by that definition to either my behaviors or viewpoints, using examples, says to me that you have even more to discuss with SqueezeOne about using big words without understanding than I ever will.

I jumped the gun earlier, sorry. You fared much better with "wack-job".