Difference between verbal griefing and the right to be hatefull?

Okay this is probably just a random thinking, but i was wondering if peoples where considering being hatefull was a form of griefing.

And if no, where does it start and where does it end.

I see a lot of peoples in SL and on these forums that seems not to understand that someone can simply be hatefull with them without having any specific needs to grief them.

Why the need of being hateful? Mostly that means to me you don't have the words to make your point in normal words.

Morwen.

Lets turn it upside down. Why would we always have to be nice?

I consider the way you treated a poster yesterday to be rude, nothing more. It was not griefing. It just was uncalled for. Specifically, this post:

No personal attacks thank you. This subject is about general situations, not a specific one.

You make the rules now? In general I reward kindness with kindness and rudeness with rudeness.

No personal attacks??? You mean like how you personally attacked that person yesterday when all they were doing was looking for help?!

You better check yourself.

So what , because i expressed my opinion of the situation you now feel you have to play justice boy and correct me?

I don't agree with you a lot of times, but i do here. The term Grief is thrown around to capriciously anyway. But it's true. In today's Overly PC'd world, people sem to think they have the right not to be annoyed, or offended by someone. While civilty and politeness are qualities we should exhibit towards each other, it's not a crime to be rude, mean or nasty.

Because it ia as Raymond already said, kindness is mostly rewarded with kindness... Being hateful mostly leads to that things explode.

Simple as that.

Morwen.

Not trying to correct you. Just expressing my opinion that you get no respect from me until you earn it.

As you are now seeing, words have power. That is why being hateful verbally is as good as griefing. Done giving you grief now. Good luck with this thread.

Nah. I was just expressing my opinion.

Well it is possible to stay perfectly polite and still send the "message".
So i don't think we can call that being rude.

The world we live in seems to have regressed and is full of peoples that seems unable to take responsibilities, it always amaze me no matter how bright the warning lights flash that there is always more peoples that manage to ignore them and then cry that something bad happened to them.
In these case i don't think soothing the pain is the best advice we can give to them.
I rather prefer to tell them that what they did was stupid.

Yet you are always kind, funny and helpful. Why do you choose to express yourself that way?

yeah a lot of people need to man up...usually some power mad flunkie tired of lickin turds all day...jumps the gun on the ban/eject button, some witless, mentally defenseless clown who can't think of snappy comebacks, send people orbiting, wann-be police rent-a-punk pig fuzz itching to use a spam master on someone, takes any argument as grief and spazzes out like computer geek they really are rl. if somebody talks shizzy to ya...talk it back or hide ya face...when they start rezzin nukes, or orbiting ya on ya own land...that's grief!

Griefing would be targeting an individual or group to cause them unhappiness.
Being indiscriminately hateful isn't really griefing I think. It's just being a pain in the arse.

People who are hateful to others are to be pitied.
They are expressing their unhappiness with their own situation and taking it out on others. "If I can't be happy then you can't be either." The outcome of their hate is that decent people will shun them - leading to more unhappiness, and more hate.

Very sad!


People don't actually "have a right" to be hateful.
To say that because something is not illegal it becomes "a right" is to pervert the worthy and positive concept of "rights".

People have a responsibility to be kind.

Anyone who has difficulty in being kind should work on it, like exercising a muscle. Even if the motive is self-interest, kindness brings good karma.
What goes around comes around.

Because my upbringing and my life experience has condidtioned me to. And in an ideal world, I guess everyone would treat each other civilly. But you can't force people to be nice to each other. We are crating a culture that is becoming more and more adverse to negative experience, and the world just isn't the utopia we want it to be. We have school districts that want to do away with the term "Fail", The "No child left behind nonsense", sports programs where no score is kept so no one loses, people in media being crucified when voicing an opinion that strays from the "acceptable", and so on. The world is a rotten place. Can we make it better? I think so. But once we do our best as an individual, all you ca do is hope the other guy will too. You can't force him. *Jeez I haven't had my coffee yet and I'm getting philosphical. Damn you, Figtree!

And in English that would be?

I actually think the world is a wonderful place with some loud rotten humans and CNN making us think its otherwise. I agree society's attempt to protect our kids from reality is not serving us. Go have your coffee. I need to go back to sleep. Hugs to all, even the OP, but especially to you, Brenda.

This is well said, Sling. And Figgie, I try to take the same optimistic outlook as you, all we do see is negativity and disaster from our media.A lot of good does go on unnoticed. And thank you for the compliment. More astonishingly, I think I actually understand what jumpman was saying.

Im pretty sure he said -

That Security guards are often hyper sensitive - and ban and eject "griefers" that arent even griefers.

My, aren't we up early.

I was always brought up to be civil and courteous.
I'm sorry if my upbringing offends you ... but then again .. tough sh*t!

"A smile spreads faster than a grimace, and slaughters a thousand demons in its wake" - I forget.

Isn't that caused by the "Bambi" style of upbringing? I seem to recall another thread....

Thanks for the translation Colette - I was completely at a loss.