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Landbots - What can be done?

Colette Meiji
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03-26-2007 06:20
How close does a bot have to get to your land before it can buy it?
Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-26-2007 06:21
From: Colette Meiji
How close does a bot have to get to your land before it can buy it?


Anyone bot or not can buy your land from a near infinite distance away. Including across several (presumably any number) of sim boundaries.
Colette Meiji
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03-26-2007 06:26
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Anyone bot or not can buy your land from a near infinite distance away. Including across several (presumably any number) of sim boundaries.



Interesting. How?

The Only way I know to buy land is go there and click on the land.
Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-26-2007 06:33
You can pan the camera over to wherever you like and buy whatever you can see. I forget the exact name but there's an option in the Debug Client menu for disabling camera constraints.

To be honest you can only really go as far as your draw distance so it would be quite a challenge to get that over 1024m or so. But theoretically the limit is extremely high.
Colette Meiji
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03-26-2007 06:45
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
You can pan the camera over to wherever you like and buy whatever you can see. I forget the exact name but there's an option in the Debug Client menu for disabling camera constraints.

To be honest you can only really go as far as your draw distance so it would be quite a challenge to get that over 1024m or so. But theoretically the limit is extremely high.


hmm and a landbot doesnt have that same graphical based constraint? Having never seen one on my screen I have no idea how stripped down, stripped down is.
Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-26-2007 06:55
From: Colette Meiji
hmm and a landbot doesnt have that same graphical based constraint? Having never seen one on my screen I have no idea how stripped down, stripped down is.


Theoretically. But in practice it's turned out to be quite challenging and all bots I know of simply teleport to the same sim as the parcel in question.
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 07:25
From: Marcus Khorana
I totally agree right up to the point about stopping land bots. This is what I have been saying all along. I don't think it unreasonable to want to protect ones interest.

What I take exception to is when people like Reverend Herzog and Weedy Herbst start fabricating "facts" to support their claim that bots are bad, when in reality they are just trying to protect their interest, all be it in a underhanded manner.

marcus


So, now you are accusing Robin Linden of lying.

Please explain, how I fabricated "The Landbots have created an unfair land market"

Truth is, you can't. Which again, proves the land bots are the hypocrites and liars.
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Stylee Streeter
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03-26-2007 07:29
From: Weedy Herbst
So, now you are accusing Robin Linden of lying.


no he is accusing you of wining simply because you cant have things your own way
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 07:34
From: Stylee Streeter
no he is accusing you of wining simply because you cant have things your own way


At least I can read. He is the boldfaced liar, by making false statements about me and Robin Linden

Stylee is a 16m ad plot hack, set on ruining the mainland with overpriced and ugly plots.

True colors and face value there, folks.....
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Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 07:47
From: Stylee Streeter
no he is accusing you of wining simply because you cant have things your own way


Thank the lord almighty, some one finally gets it.

marcus
Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 07:50
From: Weedy Herbst
At least I can read.


I think its safe to say that everyone READING this forum can read.

From: Weedy Herbst
He is the boldfaced liar, by making false statements about me.


Thats the pot calling the kettle black.

From: Weedy Herbst
Anyone who hacks up and overprices the mainland like yourself has no opinion on the matter. We all know your motive is to ruin the mainland with overpriced 16m plots.

Your word is not worth a pinch of dog crap.


Weedy, it's so unlike you to resort to name calling and character assassination.

marcus
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 07:53
From: Marcus Khorana
Thank the lord almighty, some one finally gets it.

marcus


Wrong, I speak the truth about bots.

In this thread you openly lie about my ability to code, lied about me using a quote from Robin Linden and continue to lie about the bots use of database resources.

Call it sour grapes all you like, but Robin has made it clear, landbots have created an unfair land market.

Any more lies from the bots today?

I think it's great they show what levels they will stoop to damage people.
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Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 07:55
From: Weedy Herbst
Stylee is a 16m ad plot hack, set on ruining the mainland with overpriced and ugly plots.

True colors and face value there, folks.....


lol, maybe you should take a deep breath before making a post instead of editing it later.

marcus
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 07:58
From: Marcus Khorana
lol, maybe you should take a deep breath before making a post instead of editing it later.

marcus


The only support you got this morning is from someone who is motivated to profit, by destroying mainland with overpriced eyesores sold at extorionist prices and a forum troll.

Not necessarily the moral highground there.
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Yumi Murakami
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03-26-2007 07:58
Land barons and land bots aren't linked to each other that much that I can see.

Land barons make their money by buying large amounts of land to get the lower auction prices and tier discounts, then reselling or rerenting it for more. Essentially the profit is built into the land system. Buy an island for US$1600 and US$295/month tier, then find people who want 1024's. A 1024 would normally cost US$9.99 Premium + US$5 extra tier = US$14.99/month, plus the cost of buying the land. So you can instead charge US$8 per month with no fee to buy the land. If you can sell off the entire island that way, you'll make your tier back every month and have repaid your downpayment in less than a year.

Yes, land barons did buy and reprice land that was below market value, but I'm sure it wasn't their main source of income.

The argument that "land bots let regular people take power back from the land barons" doesn't count - land bots keep out regular people just as effectively as land barons did. "Regular people" on SL will never want to be involved in the land trade, the gambling with monthly subscription fees is something normal users will never be keen on, so unless you want to abolish the land market entirely, those users will always wind up paying more.
Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 07:59
From: Weedy Herbst
Wrong, I speak the truth about bots.

In this thread you openly lie about my ability to code, lied about me using a quote from Robin Linden and continue to lie about the bots use of database resources.

Call it sour grapes all you like, but Robin has made it clear, landbots have created an unfair land market.

Any more lies from the bots today?

I think it's great they show what levels they will stoop to damage people.


Wow, rewritting history from only a few thread pages ago, man you guys stop at nothing.

I think it's great that people can read through this thread and see what hypocrites all the land barons are.

marucs
Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 08:03
From: Weedy Herbst
The only support you got this morning is from someone who is motivated to profit, by destroying mainland with overpriced eyesores sold at extorionist prices and a forum troll.

Not necessarily the moral highground there.


I was referinng to your "Your word is not worth a pinch of dog crap." comment which quickly became "True colors and face value there, folks.....".

But don't let me stop you from foaming at the mouth.

marcus
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 08:05
From: Marcus Khorana
Wow, rewritting history from only a few thread pages ago, man you guys stop at nothing.

I think it's great that people can read through this thread and see what hypocrites all the land barons are.

marucs


It is great, because here we have a case of landbots outright lying.

Clearly the landbots are the hypocrites, liars and arrogant misbehavers.

Bad enough they take people's work away, they insult and defame them too.

Landbots are destroying the community, by undermining the TOS for the sake of greed and will say anything to justify it.
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Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 08:06
From: Yumi Murakami
The argument that "land bots let regular people take power back from the land barons" doesn't count


I agree, But I'm not sure anyone was making it.

marcus
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 08:06
From: Marcus Khorana
I was referinng to your "Your word is not worth a pinch of dog crap." comment which quickly became "True colors and face value there, folks.....".

But don't let me stop you from foaming at the mouth.

marcus


I am not foaming at the mouth.

More lies.
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Marcus Khorana
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03-26-2007 08:10
From: Weedy Herbst
It is great, because here we have a case of landbots outright lying.

Clearly the landbots are the hypocrites, liars and arrogant misbehavers.

Bad enough they take people's work away, they insult and defame them too.

Landbots are destroying the community, by undermining the TOS for the sake of greed and will say anything to justify it.


Ok, cite proof that what you say is true. I know you can't and will ignore this post. Thanks for proving to me for the Nth time what I already knew.

marcus
Yumi Murakami
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03-26-2007 08:19
From: Yumi Murakami

The argument that "land bots let regular people take power back from the land barons" doesn't count


From: Marcus Khorana
I agree, But I'm not sure anyone was making it.


Umm..

From: Marcus Khorana

It amuses me that the people claiming that "bots are bad" are using statements like "they are only in it for the money" or it's just "pure greed" and act like they are the savior of the "oppressed masses" of second life.

In reality they are only using the "oppressed masses" to help bolster their own dwindling position of power. These people ARE land barons who feel threatened by land bots and have decided to use arguments (that were once used against them) against the land botters in an attempt to convince people that by taking preventative measures against bots, SL will be a better place for all.

This is pure hypocrisy since preventative measures against bots only serve one purpose, to move the position of power back to the land barons and away from the land botters.
Stylee Streeter
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03-26-2007 08:26
From: Weedy Herbst
At least I can read. He is the boldfaced liar, by making false statements about me and Robin Linden

Stylee is a 16m ad plot hack, set on ruining the mainland with overpriced and ugly plots.

True colors and face value there, folks.....


lol again simply your opinion. 16s are part of the game and everybody hss to start somewhere. and for the record i dont create 16s. i buy ones already there. but here you are again demonstrating how you prefer to view things from your own vested interests.

get over yourself
Colette Meiji
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03-26-2007 08:28
From: Marcus Khorana
Ok, cite proof that what you say is true. I know you can't and will ignore this post. Thanks for proving to me for the Nth time what I already knew.

marcus



Weedy attempted to spell all this out in thread which spawned this one.

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Of course you may not Agree.

One minor point -
Ive found its a good idea to read entire threads before I do any accusing.
Weedy Herbst
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03-26-2007 08:29
From: Marcus Khorana
Ok, cite proof that what you say is true. I know you can't and will ignore this post. Thanks for proving to me for the Nth time what I already knew.

marcus


This is a lie in itself, because I CAN cite your lies.

From: Marcus Khorana
Bots aren't exclusive if you can code. And you can't, hence your problem with them.


Two lies right there, I can code and that is not my problem with them.

From: Marcus Khorana
They are only concerned with one thing, their bottom line, their money and their power.


Lies. I care about community, fairness and equal access.


From: Marcus Khorana
Because no matter how the land barons portray it, if you don't buy and sell land on mass, it doesn't affect you. The land barons would like you believe that this issue affects all of us and we need to rise up to stop this menace, but in reality there are only two sides and only they are affected. The land barons, who are fighting for, in their mind, control of the land market which they once had, and the botters who have found a more effective way to make money.

This is only about money, and who controls it. The barons might claim altruism, but it's a lie. Just look at who the loudest are in this "war", surprise, surprise it's the barons.

To the barons: this "war" is a "war of attrition". And unfortunately for you, computers (bots) don't think, they aren't sentient; they don't have morals or emotions, and will tirelessly perform their tasks until instructed otherwise. Making them the best "solders" in this "war of attrition", but then you know this already otherwise you wouldn't be complaining.

Some of you (land barons), understand that the only way to fight this "war" is by building a strong community of uninformed and blind followers to "convince" (see; bully) LL that they need to inhibit or ban bots, with the full knowledge that the only people this would serve to help is yourselves. Well good luck, because even if you manage to bolster your diminished ranks with uninformed, knee jerk reactionaries, in the end the ones left standing will be the bots, long after the rest have given up and/or gone to bed.

Oh and to the lackeys of the land barons that claim they don't sell land and have no vested interest in this "war" besides liberating SL from the big bot menace, why then are you continuing to spread the FUD that only serves to shift the balance of power back to them and in turn make them rich.


This is rife with lies. In reality you have no idea about our motivations, hence you make this up.

The truth is, it DOES affect average users. The search throttle is a good example. The bots are unquestionably responsible for the throttles and excessive "disproportionate" use.
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