Landbots - What can be done?

And neither did I. And it's not exclusive, how many people in the landbot business? I have count at least 3. But I know there are more. It's NOT exclusive.



And it's your line at the end where you try and turn it around to be exclusive. By stating that it becomes exclusive to people who can code you ignore the fact that was exclusive to the barons when the person trying to enter the market didn't have the time or ability to properly leverage the land market. But then that was fine because it didn't affect you, right?



So what you never sold your land for a profit, you never made money, you didn't want to make money from land? Greed is still greed, no matter how you paint it.



Bots aren't exclusive if you can code. And you can't, hence your problem with them.



Please, this greed line is old and tired, if you want to go and live in a socialist paradise, fine, but stop running around pointing your finger and screaming "greed! greed!" at every person that has found a more efficient way of doing EXACTLY what you used to.



Oh, I haven't heard that one for while. Read the BSD license.



What about 3rd because they have no obligation to release their work to people that only want to see their downfall.



From each man his worth, to each man his need. Yawn.

Personally I prefer, "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind."

This is just mini industrial revolution with the barons screaming that the world is coming to an end, while technology continues unabated around them.

marcus

You are a boldfaced liar.

I am proficient in C, C#, C++ and other scripting languages including LSL.

No I am just wrong, if I had known you could code before I said you couldn't then it would make me a lier.

Oh let me see, you have the ability to code a landbot but choose not to because what it wouldn't be fair to barons? If people like you ran the world we would still be in grass huts picking fleas out each others hair.

marcus

Again do you have proof of this? Or are you just assuming that they are making buckets of cash.



I do understand that your willing to dismiss my entire argument based on a personal opinion.

Take you war cry to the streets, but this war is one of attrition and one in which you are fighting machines.

Good luck,

marcus

It's true. I own 5 BMWs and fly to Hawaii daily. Sometimes I drive to Hawaii IN my BMW.

I choose not to run a bot, because I care about others, the Second Life infrastructure and competition in business.

Clearly, bots and persons like yourself admit they don't care about others, they only care about the money, the SL infrastructure as it applies to them and compete solely because they are able to gain an unfair advantage to the land market (do I need to remind you with Robin's quote?)

LMFAO, now you have let the cat out of the bag. DAMN you and your BWM driving, Hawaii flying bots!

marcus

Yes weedy we have seen Robin's quote many times. I wouldn't hold out for a solution from LL that makes everyone or anyone happy. They have a history of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The only thing we can do is wait and see what they decide to do next.

Bah, your empty threats of linden action doesn't scare me.

When you have something real bring that to the floor instead.

marcus

Someone in another post suspected that the land search was cached and only actually updated when something changed which makes sense.

No one said it doesn't increase load, but to what degree is the issue. I'm saying that if LL had a problem with the load then they could easily shut the bots down.

marcus

To this point we agree.

I feel rather "hung out to dry" for agreeing and advocating the current position taken by LL.

However, this quote is only based on a response to correspondence with Linden Lab and not as an openly defined statement which could be viewed as "official".

We have yet to see that, although they claim to be "working on it" or as Philip said "thinking very hard about it".

Here you go with the hypocricy again, accusing others of half truths and empty threats, while making them yourself.

At this point, you have lost your ability to debate with rationale and reason. I refuse to let myself participate in having this thread locked, because you are unable to discuss things in a positive or reasonable manner.

Take the last word if it satisfies your ego, but I won't engage you any longer. Any other false accusations from herein, will be bad post reported.

Hammering the DB might or might not be good for the grid. By both Elan and Zor's admissions, they understand that bots use a disproportionate amount of resources. Clearly, it's against the TOS, but naturally, they won't cease until told to do so. Then it will become an issue of punishment as a result. It's unlikely they will be banned, because LL let it slide so long.

It seems further throttling is likely. This is a direct result of some people ruining it for others. So the hogwash you hear about bots not affecting the average user is total BS.

Thanks I will.

Ok, sure that last post was irrational. I agree.

But I find it amusing that you and other bot haters argue the same tired irrational points, which are all inaccurate.

Your mode of argument is;

Claim the bot cause cause lag with no proof, claim they are bot because they increase/decrease land prices without taking anything else into account, claim bots are bad because its all about greed, claim bots are against open source.

Then if anyone raises a counter argument, you attempt to assassinate their character while claiming they are doing the same, claim they are just don't care about SL, claim they just don't care at all about anything. All with no proof or logical grounding.

If that doesn't silence them, then bring proof that LL is going to come knocking.

Again you do what you want I'm not concerned.

marcus

This is actually more lies told by the anti-bot community.

Its NOT a TOS violation. You can take that fact to the bank.

I would ask for the post where they said they use a "disproportionate amount of resources", but I know they (the anit-bots or land barons as they are more commonly called) would ignore my request, like any other time I have ask for proof of their claims.

If you want a fairly balanced, all be it from a botters perspective and a little long, explanation of the FACTS then check out this post.

/327/d5/173403/3.html#post1449921

I might be a botter but I'm not a lier. I don't need to lie because nothing I do is illegal and I don't have anything to lose, unlike the land barons.

marcus

I'm not a land baron, I've got no interest in dealing land, I'm a clothing designer. I made the point on the 101 thread about landbots hammering the databases because it seemed like common sense to me. Bombarding a database with repeated queries is going to take it's toll.

Vale

Ah, you're right. My memory isn't what it used to be. Instead of being the one who created copybot, an item you admit could be used to steal the content others worked so hard to create, you merely made it available to anyone and everyone apparently knowing full well its potential for misuse. My apologies.

Sure but LL has the ability to quickly and easily shut down any person or bot that is coursing undue stress on the servers. And none of the landbots have been shut down so far, so I think it's safe to say the load they course is minimal.

marcus

Apology accepted only if you'll accept mine for thinking this was going to be another one of your famous "only tell half the story and explain half the facts" posts.

Opps, sorry my bad.

marcus

I will concede that lanbots may not be having a significant affect on the servers, I just don't know enough about it to be able to make an informed judgment, which is why I asked about it when I posted.

However, what is very real is the affect that landbots are having within secondlife as far as a fair economy goes. There's no way anyone could make a living from buying and selling land like they once could, love them or loath them, the land barons really have been put out of business. The mainland belongs to the bots, I don't think I'm being unreasonable or bias because I want to see that stop.

Such an enormouse resource as land shouldn't be controled by so few people.

Vale

I totally agree right up to the point about stopping land bots. This is what I have been saying all along. I don't think it unreasonable to want to protect ones interest.

What I take exception to is when people like Reverend Herzog and Weedy Herbst start fabricating "facts" to support their claim that bots are bad, when in reality they are just trying to protect their interest, all be it in a underhanded manner.

marcus

I wouldn't be too worried for those at the upper end of the land business. All one has to do is check out the completed auctions for sims to see who is bidding. They are doing just fine.

I agree it shouldn't be "controlled" by so few people bot or no bot. But unfortunatly it is and always has been. This is not a new issue in SL. Only the usage of bots are.

for god sake you all need to stop moaning and get on with your lives. if you dont want someone stealing your land then BE CAREFUL WITH IT!

if i saw land going cheap i would buy it straight away regardless of how it got to that price.

this is a game. not real life. games are meant to be played given the rules by the game makers. LL have said bots are alowed and therefore they are here.

they dont buy everything. i dont have bots and i still manage to get some bargains.

they also buy alot of crap which would otherwise sit there at the top of the seach page.

this is the same as 16s. poeple keep moaning at the ad farmers saying it is wrong. but 16s are part of the game too.

get over it! your all just jealous because some poeple are smarter than you at making money on here.