And in answer to Heretic. I wouldn't take my Grandmother out to go genital shopping. Would you ????
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05-23-2007 10:54
Hey, some grammas are hip to that scene baby
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05-23-2007 10:58
Sorry Guys and Gals but I can't see ths wiggle room in "PG" sims. The parcels cannot be flagged as Mature. That is not possible (unless of course they change that) so A "PG" sim must contain "PG" parcels. Don't ask me about mature. I didn't want one there for that reason...it could be mature or adult, depending on what the parcel owner wanted to do there. And in answer to Heretic. I wouldn't take my Grandmother out to go genital shopping. Would you ???? If my Nana were here she'd probably be selling that stuff....... _____________________
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05-23-2007 11:13
I have reported ads showing sex clubs (with censored nipples) and casinos inside pg land and they disappeared 4 days later
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05-23-2007 11:30
CAN ANYONE OUT THERE TELL ME WHAT IS ALLOWED IN “PG” AREAS. ? I cant tell you what linden thinks it is but as a landowner in a pg sim I can tell you what I believe it should be..I believe that what is allowed in a pg sim should be the same as what is shown in a pg rated movie... that makes sense doesnt it? For me its some violence if its not too extreme , not much cursing, and some sex as long as its done privately and discretely... if you allow none of those things you have a G not a PG... in my opinnion. Heck even a G has violence these days and kissing too. Its all in how you look at it , but since they call it PG it should be based on that. They do have violence and love scenes in PG they just do it carefully. Elinah |
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05-23-2007 11:32
No, Robin didn't specifically say that if you un-check the "Mature Content" flag, your land functions as PG, but that is certainly the net message I'm getting when taking in her collective remarks on the subject as a whole. I don't know about her collective remarks, that's a pretty large set, but this remark, from /142/c8/181801/7.html#post1500521 says the opposite to me: But even on M regions this content is extreme, and therefore needs to be flagged. She is saying that this "overtly, graphically, or explicitly sexual ... or intensely violent" content is extreme, even for a Mature region. That suggests pretty clearly to me that there is such a thing as Mature content that is not extreme, and need not have the adult flag set. If she had meant to say "if a parcel in a mature region doesn't have the adult flag set, then it must comply with the PG standards", she would have said it that way. I keep getting back to the motion picture standards, because of their famliarity and acceptance. An R rating is not wiggle room, it's a well defined, significant rating between PG-13 and NC17. While the grey areas on the boundaries between ratings will always be debated, I don't see why people are having such a problem with the idea of parcels that are Mature but not Adult. One obvious example is a nude beach where sexual animations or aroused genitals aren't allowed by the parcel owner, but unaroused genitals are. |
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05-23-2007 11:37
I keep getting back to the motion picture standards, because of their famliarity and acceptance. An R rating is not wiggle room, it's a well defined, significant rating between PG-13 and NC17. While the grey areas on the boundaries between ratings will always be debated, I don't see why people are having such a problem with the idea of parcels that are Mature but not Adult. One obvious example is a nude beach where sexual animations or aroused genitals aren't allowed by the parcel owner, but unaroused genitals are. Non-aroused genitalia is classed as mature, not adult? Nudist colonies aside, which is a pretty distinctive subculture which is why outside the norms of mainstream society, can you think of any RL places where you could hope to see that? _____________________
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05-23-2007 11:49
Non-aroused genitalia is classed as mature, not adult? Nudist colonies aside, which is a pretty distinctive subculture which is why outside the norms of mainstream society, can you think of any RL places where you could hope to see that? That's a very US-centric reaction, because nude beaches are fairly common in Europe, with no age check at the entrance. But I think the answer could have been inferred from my post, i.e. at an R rated movie. Remember Schindler's List? |
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05-23-2007 12:17
Non-aroused genitalia is classed as mature, not adult? Yes I'd agree with that, it's the mull of kyntyre ruling. |
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05-23-2007 12:25
That's a very US-centric reaction, because nude beaches are fairly common in Europe, with no age check at the entrance. But I think the answer could have been inferred from my post, i.e. at an R rated movie. Remember Schindler's List? there are nude beaches like this in the US with no age check - They Just have to be on private property and need some sort of privacy screen between them and the normal beach (and the view from the street) I guess they keep so low key people dont know they are there , lol. |
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05-23-2007 12:42
PG / Mature / Adult Oh my!
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05-23-2007 12:57
That's a very US-centric reaction... I've been called many names over the years, but this is the first time someone has dared call suggest I'm American. I think I need to go shower now. ![]() _____________________
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05-23-2007 13:03
I've been called many names over the years, but this is the first time someone has dared call suggest I'm American. I think I need to go shower now. ![]() Please do....we prefer unwashed masses on our teeming shores. Or is it huddled masses.....? _____________________
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05-23-2007 14:23
I'm not sure about this, I have read that parcels will have to be flagged as "Adult" rather than "Mature". Which suggests a new flag is in the pipeline. Otherwise content that is considered non PG is going to be in the same category as content that is explicitly sexual, violent or gambling related. Well as I recall didnt they say this whole age verification on adult flagged land thing would begin by now? It hasnt, so maybe sl has wised up and realized it was a stupid idea ? Elinah |
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05-23-2007 14:26
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05-23-2007 14:50
Today is the first I'd seen that particular remark, and you're right, it's very telling. I avoided that thread due to the long, anti Integrity posts, so I'm glad you pointed me directly to that post. "The flag we're talking about will be available on Mature rated sims" sure *does* sound an awful lot like "We're adding an additional content flag, called Adult."
I get my Linden propaganda mainly from the blogs, as it is often too painful to wade through pages of long winded complaints.. It's a shame we have to piece these things together, and still end up unclear. I don't know about her collective remarks, that's a pretty large set, but this remark, from /142/c8/181801/7.html#post1500521/142/c8/181801/7.html#post1500521 says the opposite to me: She is saying that this "overtly, graphically, or explicitly sexual ... or intensely violent" content is extreme, even for a Mature region. That suggests pretty clearly to me that there is such a thing as Mature content that is not extreme, and need not have the adult flag set. If she had meant to say "if a parcel in a mature region doesn't have the adult flag set, then it must comply with the PG standards", she would have said it that way. I keep getting back to the motion picture standards, because of their famliarity and acceptance. An R rating is not wiggle room, it's a well defined, significant rating between PG-13 and NC17. While the grey areas on the boundaries between ratings will always be debated, I don't see why people are having such a problem with the idea of parcels that are Mature but not Adult. One obvious example is a nude beach where sexual animations or aroused genitals aren't allowed by the parcel owner, but unaroused genitals are. _____________________
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05-23-2007 14:51
Somewhere it was mentioned that they had actually just recently signed the deal with Integrity. I'd bet it's probably going to be the subject of the next major grid/client update.
Well as I recall didnt they say this whole age verification on adult flagged land thing would begin by now? It hasnt, so maybe sl has wised up and realized it was a stupid idea ? Elinah _____________________
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05-23-2007 18:55
A lot of information in this thread. In movie ratings history there use to be:
Rated G: General Audiences. All ages admitted. Rated M: Suggested for Mature Audiences. Parental discretion advised. Rated R: Restricted. Persons under 16 are not admitted unless accompanied by parent or adult guardian. Rated X: Persons under 17 not admitted. M rating was replaced with PG around 1970 because of confusion with R rating and in 1984 PG-13 was introduced. I think we all have a sense of what is PG, Mature or Adult. All of us have seen explicit pictures showing genitalia on walls in both PG and Mature sims. There are demos of products on display in both types of parcels. I could be more forgiving it the displays were behind opaque walls and windows when on a PG sim but in reality as stated earlier anything explicit has not place in a PG sim. I have seen the bright green prims hiding things from view when land owners have displayed explicit photographs on PG sims. I think the same should happen to all the advertisement and displays of mature items on that PG sim that Astarte has reported. One of the things I really liked about SL early on was how easy it was to actually get help from people in game as well as the Lindens. I know they are probably overwhelmed because of the growth of SL. I have seen similar trends in support in other games I have played. I am reminded that the only constant we have is change and we should try to embrace it instead of fearing change. |
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05-23-2007 21:06
While I can give you no "official" response, I do think I can give you a pretty accurate one. PG= Teeny tiny bikini's - no words worse that "Shit" - the occasional quick flash of a breast as long as it's tastefully done and fits within the surrounding content/mood - sexual innuendo but no direct sexual reference - The words Goddamn and other "blasphemous" Deity related derogatory terms may be too much for tender ears - Mooning is always allowed, especially it's it's a fat guy (for reference see "Pete Fats" ![]() I hope this has helped. Even simpler answer, don't say, or do anything you would Not be proud to say or do in front of Both your Grandmothers. Angel. |