What is "PG" Anyway

Well...

PG = Pretty Good
R = Better
X = Excellent

-i

I would *think* that an un-mature-flagged parcel in a Mature sim would be governed by the PG standards, same as a PG sim. This issue came to light when the search was defaulted back to having the Mature box unchecked - leaving businesses such as Coco's Cottages at somewhat of a disadvantage. It had been an "internal" issue at the Lab for some time prior, and was being worked through. Essentially, a Mature rated region is all-inclusive. It means that you have the *option* of displaying adult content, or engaging in adult activities. To do this, you must flag your parcel as Mature. If the parcel is not flagged Mature, its content must be PG, as it will potentially show in a PG filtered search.

I find this a tad contradictory, not your comment, but having to flag land as mature. I always flag my land as mature (when I remember), not because there's mature content on it, but there is next to it and I'm in a mature area.

Unless I set my TP point to be inside a building (and that doesn't always work), there's an escort club right next to one piece of land and adult ad farms near another.

Id have to agree

Unless they come out with a SECOND flag so you can toggle both "Mature" and "Adult"

They confused things to no end though calling this flag "Adult" - when the existing flag is called mature.

And I dont think Robin understood my question when I asked her the difference either.

I can see a semblance of logic here .. albeit a faint one .. and I might be wrong .. but ..

We originally had Mature and PG sims. I got the impression when this new reshuffle started that the sim segregation was going to be done away with and replaced with packet flags.
Now, with there already being mature and PG, the new flag was made adult. Sooo, with the notoriously more X-rated content and activities shifting to the adult flag, within what happens to be already marked mature sims, there only remains to introduce the mature flag and remove the sim grading.

Yes? ... well I thought it sounded good.

Edit: I know I left out the subject of the button in search ... but I didn't want coco to hit me again.

You would think so - however -

That ignores the recent changes made to the Search function which is already employing the aformentioned flag.

You have to currently flag your land as Mature unless your content is PG on any listed land.

Yes, I can't quite get my head round that bit ... unless ... they are going to bring out an adult flag too? hakes head:

I directly asked Robin that on another thread ...


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Not at all sure, I'd say no if I was sure what "Adult" actually meant. I mean will pose balls and slot machines that are for sale be flagged as adult? Would a BDSM shop be flagged as adult? You wouldn't expect to see these sorts of shops in PG land ...would you?

So, wait...

Will the "Keep explicit things behind closed doors in Mature Sims" still stand when the "Adult" flag comes in to play?

I think it will be worse than that

I think it will be

Explicit things can ONLY be behind closed doors on an Adult flagged parcel.


I do assume "closed doors" includes in the confines of a strip club, a beach or park with a privacy fence, on a Island flagged adult, etc.

Well .. it's very dark here .. I'm not sure if what I have here is a spanner or a wooden spoon .. but things are changing. Always have been since I arrived and before. They might not always get it in the right order for everyone. It's still very new territory. It could be a rollercoaster. It could be a damp squib. I got my money on the rollercoaster.

This is a more general response to a subthread within this thread-

I believe the confusion about parcel flags was created by Robin interchanging the words "Adult" and "Mature". It seems evident enough, based on all that has been said by Robin and others on the subject, that there is not actually any new content rating, or flag, in the works. The *only* thing that is new is the behavior of the parcel level "mature content" flag. This flag actually had not even been functionized until very recently - it had an intended future use, probably having to do with a web based land listing service which never actually came to be.

So we have two content ratings, PG and Mature. They've just granularized it a bit, brought it to the parcel level. Without going into interpretations and specifics of what is PG or what is Mature content, here's how it lays out:

Mature region: You may, at your own option, display content or engage in activities which are governed by the "Mature" rating. You must conduct these activities in an enclosed space, on a parcel which has the "Mature" option selected. You may also, at your option, operate your parcel in a PG fashion, by un-checking this option. When unchecked, for all intents and purposes, your parcel is PG, and you are compelled to operate it as such, notwithstanding the fact that it is within a Mature rated region.

PG region: All content within a PG rated region is governed, without exception, by the PG rating, regardless of the status of any parcel level "Mature" setting.

I may be incorrect about all this, but I honestly can't bring myself to any other conclusion.

Zaph

I'm not sure about this, I have read that parcels will have to be flagged as "Adult" rather than "Mature". Which suggests a new flag is in the pipeline. Otherwise content that is considered non PG is going to be in the same category as content that is explicitly sexual, violent or gambling related.

I see some wiggle room in non-listed parcels

Since right now when you turn off your mature listing its only for web and parcel listing purposes. You are thus required that your listed land conform to PG guidelines.

However if you dont LIST your land you can have that flag set to whatever you want - it doesnt affect content.

So its possible for unlisted land to have some grey area between PG and Adult since no one has said otherwise - and the Adult descriptions do not include all of the stuff the Mature descriptions did.

Since , after all Robin did not say "If you unflag your land it functions like PG land"

I dont like how confusing it is though. And I dont think not defining the new flag rules without referencing the old flag rules is a good idea. Especially since those rules JUST recently changed.

Until the search changes your land could have mature content and be unflagegd as long as you didnt elect to be web listed.

Literally it would be better to have some black and white rules.

My guess is we will get more information on this flag when they announce the Verification roll out.

IF not its gonna be a nice chaotic first few days of Verification.

Points taken.

I asked her that directly here:

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you can read the response I got.

If it clears up the question - someone let me know. My first impression is she wasnt getting what I was saying.

Almost like they forgot or werent aware of the recent Mature Flag changes reguarding searches.

It seems like a NATURAL spot to clean up confusion to me if they are different flags.

Content that is considered "Non PG" is by that definition, "Mature". The CS already makes the distinction between these two types of content, albeit without the level of detail many seem to require. I firmly believe that what you have read is simply a few sentences where Robin uses the word "Adult" when she really should have said "Mature". There has been no mention, by any Linden I'm aware of, of any new content flag on the horizon. It has only ever been suggested as a possibility here, in these forums, by residents, who were confused by Robin's use of the word "Adult".

Okay.. skimmed the thread colette referenced, found this bit:

"I also want to stress that people who are not age verified will only be restricted from Teen Second Life and from parcels or islands that have been flagged as having adult content, not from regions designated M."

What she is simply saying here is that people who are not age verified will not be restricted from entire Mature rated regions, but specifically from parcels IN mature rated regions where the "Mature content" flag is set true. My interpretation anyway.

zaph

she does never actually anywhere reference the current Mature Flag.

She also never says the Adult flag will be a "New" flag that I could tell.

So its a very possible thing as you and I have said in the past they are one and the same.

Theres either going to be 3 levels of content

Or there will be 2 levels of content.

Even if they somehow define 3 levels and you can only toggle between two ..then there is only 2.

With how impossible its going to be to figure out the difference between a "mature" and an "adult" activity. It makes more logical sense for it to be only 2, really. As much as Id prefer 3.

Since the whole PREMIS is to keep people who are unverified from seeing things someone under 18 shouldnt.

I thought there was going to be a third category, "Adult" made.
That was the impression I got...

Robin Linden: "This content is that which is overtly, graphically, or explicitly sexual in nature or intensely violent. Obviously, there should be no content on PG regions that fits this description. But even on M regions this content is extreme, and therefore needs to be flagged."

Hmm clears up nothing. Logically I'd expect a new flag but she drifts between parcels and regions but she does say it's content that would be extreme.

I don't see any wiggle room here.. I see the "Mature Content" parcel flag as more than simply a mechanism for filtering listing searches. It is more generally a means to indicate that said parcel contains mature rated content or activity, regardless of its listing status.

Robin was pretty clear that parcel owners bear the responsibility for ensuring their parcels are set properly - if an un-verified happens into a porn shop on a parcel not flagged "Mature Content", and said un-verified turns out to be a minor who snuck into the adult section of the grid, the responsibility lies with the parcel owner.

No, Robin didn't specifically say that if you un-check the "Mature Content" flag, your land functions as PG, but that is certainly the net message I'm getting when taking in her collective remarks on the subject as a whole.

Ciaran quotes the wiggle room in her post. The difference between Pg, normal Mature, and Adult.

Of course on Parcels you have listed in the "Places listing" if its unflagged it has to be PG.

Thats why I see wiggle room in UNLISTED, unflagged parcels between PG and Adult.





The cynic in me tells me Robin and Daniel werent aware of the recent Mature flag changes and how they applied to the "Search" function.

In other words their fix is using the same flag someone elses fix already decided to use.

Sorry Guys and Gals but I can't see ths wiggle room in "PG" sims. The parcels cannot be flagged as Mature. That is not possible (unless of course they change that) so A "PG" sim must contain "PG" parcels.

Don't ask me about mature. I didn't want one there for that reason...it could be mature or adult, depending on what the parcel owner wanted to do there.

And in answer to Heretic. I wouldn't take my Grandmother out to go genital shopping. Would you ????