What is "PG" Anyway

Who exactly made that argument?

And the first request to the LIndens was short, accurate, and sweet. What I have put up above is the replies when they send me a ediculous reply, and apparently no action is taken against the blatant advertising and sale of Genitalia on a "PG" sim.

AS LInden's won't answer me as to what is "PG". I no longer know what is or what is not allowed. Simple really. That is what I want an answer off them about. So I know whether to waste my time sending in abuse reports if they are just going to ignore them or take no action.

One of my guesses is that it's because they themselves don't even know what "pg" means. The fact that minors where not allowed in SL at the time when "PG" was instituted as official nomenclature is a telltale.

It's a 3 ring circus of their own creation. Or maybe brilliant foresight?

It's alll starting to remind me of Lord Of The Flies

Out of curiosity, on the 2 new continents to the east, how many of those sims are PG? That would, at least, tell us if the PG/mature distinction is something LL is actively working on, or if it is just a historical artifact.

My personal opinion is that the PG sims are a relic from a halcyonic time when LL thought they could merge adult and teen grids without any significant controls to protect children, because people will naturally do what is right and honourable.

Yes Warda, It would be interesting to know the ratio. All I can say at the moment, is my land is on one of those new Eastern continents, and is part of a small enclave of 8 PG sims surrounded by Mature on 3 sides. (and water the other side) I have no inclination to catalogue every sim over here. Maybe the Linden's can answer that one !!!!!

Not a smart move unless you just want to annoy them. Annoying people generally doesn't make them more inclined to go out of their way to help you.

Originally posted by Suzy
"Not a smart move unless you just want to annoy them. Annoying people generally doesn't make them more inclined to go out of their way to help you"


Ok do I care !! and this forum entry is going not going to do that as well ????

I asked civilly for a clarification. I got a reply from Linden's, that had nothing in it to answer my original question. I ask again in more detail and I get amother stupid atuo-reponse email that the problem has been resolved. The problem has not been resolved. They have not answered my Question. That is just being ignorant !!!!!!!

I see. Just out of curiosity: exactly how is annoying them going to make them less ignorant? And how is insulting them going to help solve your problem?

Just pointing out you are hurting yourself by acting this way. I am not saying you are not entitled to be annoyed yourself by auto-responses. Just saying that your way of handling that annoyance is probably taking you further from solving your problem instead of closer to getting what you want.

What's the point anyway.. The Linden's will probably jump up and down with joy, As I finally get driven to a complete sell off of everything and total withdrawal from SL.

That is very much the way I am thinking. Todays update may make the decision. If there aren't major fixes in there, with no Linden introduced additional problems I might be tempted to stay. But I don't see the point of staying with a game where they just ignore everything their customers ask them for, and don't thoruoghly test before releasing changes.

Just as a pointer, I had minor problem with some other piece of software, unrelated to SL, guess what?? a bug report had their support department contacting me within 12 hours and not with an auto response, but a genuine person initiated email.

Hey Just a thought, where is SL world. Is it some guy sat in his garden shed wishing and pretending he ruled the world just like other SL players do......It sure seems like it these days.. How many staff do they claim they have ???......How many actually work ??? or is everything on auto repeat cycles just to give the impression there is someone there !!!!! And all the lindens are just Alts !!

Astarte, it appeared from your OP that PG land suited your desires. If you have changed your ambition and wish now to sell adult content you should buy/rent Mature land and flag it adult. The fact that a neighbour is flouting the TOS and/or CS is not giving you free rein to do likewise as already explained by others.

Getting angry with a lack of response from your ARs is understandable .. but displaying it here is counter-productive and will probably only result in getting your thread closed.

Sorry Bilbo if you misunderstand me. I don't want to enter the adult market. I bought "PG" cos I wanted to get away from all that. But guess what it is there in "PG" land.

I was just asking how far I could go along that route before I got a reprimand, because others nearby don't seem to be being stopped. I have no intention of selling adult stuff, it was purely to try and get some reaction from those Lindens, if there are in fact any such people in this game.

Once I know what they will allow I can remonstrate with them about what is actually already there on these "PG" sims

before Hobbesian reality of human nature struck them in the face, yeah

s'ok, happens to all utopians eventually...

This is written as though it's authoritative, but there's no citation. Is it just an opinion, even an educated one based on experience? Or is there something from Linden that states this?

Given that limited use of vulgar language is permitted in PG movies, this list seems stricter than I might expect. Still, it wouldn't be unreasonable, with some appropriate clarification.

The remainder of your note is excellent advice.

Okay this is from the community standards. Excuse my formating since they broke the forums----

Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.

------------------------------------

Policies and Policing

Global Standards, Local Ratings
All areas of Second Life, including the www.secondlife.com website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG).

--------------------------------------



It describes what makes content be required to go on Mature land. So related to this, if your content doesnt break these guidelines it can be on PG land.

What do those terms they use mean? And who intreprets them?

People who view your content get to decide whether or not to AR you. Then your AR is reviewed by a Linden, and that Linden makes a judgment call - whether the Lindens have secret more clear definitions they go by or just "wing it", I dont know.

By conventional wisdom of people I know - It would be the later.

Collete.

Thanks for that insight... All I am asking for is what are their "PG" guidelines, that they refer to at the end of the Indecency statement. I cannot find anywhere in their TOS or community satndards any definition or guidelines. All references always seem to be to mature only, and of course now to "Adult" content as well.

Yeah its definition by segregation. Thats all we get.

If its not content required to be called Mature - It is PG.

So you are telling me that graphically advertising and selling Dicks and pussies in a PG area is okay ???? As they are not referred to specifically in the TOS or standards as "Mature".

Please see this Knowledge Base article for information on what constitutes PG and what constitutes Mature: http://secondlife.com/knowledgebase/article.php?id=312.

"PG Areas are designated to be free from sexually explicit language or behavior, swearing and other forms of aggressive language, violent behavior and/or imagery, including horror. In Teen Second Life, "gambling" for Linden Dollars is also prohibited."

More info on PG/Mature can be located in Daniel's recent blog post on Identity Verification:http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/05/07/more-on-identity-verification.

"‘Adult Content’ is that which is overtly, graphically, or explicitly sexual in nature or intensely violent." Keep in mind that this is not an exclusive definition.

As the Knowledge Base states, "PG regions have frequently been described as an area where you’re free to say and do things that you would feel comfortable doing in front of your grandmother, or a grade school class.

In Mature regions, Residents can be free to engage in more adult activity and language, though of course, explicit adult content must be contained behind “closed doors”.

However, if you feel there’s some ambiguity as to whether or not your activity or content is allowed in a PG region, it’s likely best kept to a Mature region."

Hope this helps.

they would probably fit under the Nudity and Sexual content definition. Most definitely Graphically selling them would break the nudity rule.

Perhaps someone could sell "male genitalia" and "female genitalia" in a box that contained only pictures of flowers and the birds and the bees.

But again if someone AR'd it it would be up to the Linden investigating to make the call.



---------------------------------------- Id Bold the parts if it would let me.
Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, NUDITY or SEXUAL content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.
---------------------------------------------

In light of the recent Age Play scandals - Maybe this definition isnt the wisest


Thanks for the information though.

Especially since different people have different "comfort" thresholds.

But seriously. PG sims are for, very loosely speaking, Disney-esque content. I get that. The new parcel-based "adult" rating, once age verification gets implemented, will be for adult content. I get that too. What I don't get is what exactly is left in between those areas that would be appropriate for a mature-sim-not-adult-parcel.

Because for my personal comfort levels, there are very few things that are both inappropriate for for grade schoolers to experience and of overtly sexual content. I can't actually think of any. About the only thing I can truthfully say I have personally not shown to grade schoolers for reasons other than sexual/violent content, is a debate on the relative merits of wearing vs not wearing bicycle helmets. I'm pretty certain this isn't what LL had in mind as typical content for mature sims.

The present definition supplied by LL is very dangerous for everyone, because the definition is designed as subjective, and will vary fom person to person. If an absolute rule can't be given, at least a detailed set of guidelines and examples.

Please?

Not at all, well the dumping kids on us part would be iditotic but PG should be a place where you can stroll around without any sign of porn, xcite todgers or escort ads.

well - to play Phil L's advocate a lil bit -

If your company uses subjective, broad terms to describe things, you can change your rules and enforcement at any time and still be "enforcing the rules that were always there."

You can interpret something new thats being done as already in violation by stretching your broad rule .

Or you can stop enforcing something that you no longer have the resources (or wish) to.

If you are smart you tell people you dont think your rules are subjective, but you make it so they are.

You kind of have to use the lawyer mindset.