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SqueezeOne Pow
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07-26-2007 15:13
It doesn't bother me any. I'm used to crazy people. I play SL! _____________________
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
Join date: 17 May 2006
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07-26-2007 15:14
What you call an “inconvenience” , I call an infringement on my free will. Anyone who does not like LL's policies is free to leave. I don't like them, but I'm staying because I would miss my hangglider and my sea turtle. _____________________
Read or listen to some Eckhart Tolle. You won't regret it.
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GreenGate Widdershins
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Join date: 30 Jan 2007
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07-26-2007 15:16
You need help. If you knew shit about what you were talking about you wouldn't be making such ridiculous and offensive implications. LL may have several inept employees but you can't legitimately accuse them of even thinking to do such things. Go to San Fransisco sometime, then think about what you're saying...for once. What kind of idiot thinks that GOP dead white men are running a small-time company that provides a new and innovative kind of service that no one else has?? Get a clue, Green. " GOP dead white men " made this law that now, afects those who do not have a say at the ballot box .... we live on the other side of the pond... hum... this may be a new developement on the international scene: exporting laws. this grid was set up as an international thing, has it not? |
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SqueezeOne Pow
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07-26-2007 15:19
" GOP dead white men " made this law that now, afects those who do not have a say at the ballot box .... we live on the other side of the pond... hum... this may be a new developement on the international scene: exporting laws. this grid was set up as an international thing, has it not? You don't understand what you're arguing about so there's no point in going on with you until you do some research. Curb your addiction! _____________________
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GreenGate Widdershins
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07-26-2007 15:25
You don't understand what you're arguing about so there's no point in going on with you until you do some research. Curb your addiction! I am adicted to personal freedom.... as I said, this is a matter of principle... It didn't escape my notice that you couldn't resist a bit of moralising.... I can't say that I'm surprised... this all thing is about moralising and preaching |
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Bongo Oldbull
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Welcome to SL Prohibition
07-26-2007 15:26
When the outlawed alcohol and gambling after trying unsuccessfully to tax the pants off of it in the United States, it went underground. It looks to me like this is just another way to police something that doesn't need policing. How about the Lindens look at their exchange rate? Those sure as hell look like random numbers and a game of chance when it comes to the fact that you can buy L$ at one rate one day, a different the next and when you go to sell L$, you're lucky to get 75% of what you originally paid for it back. If they can be loan sharks, why can't we play friendly games of poker with out SL buddies, play Slingo or Zyngo and some black jack? Nobody's getting hurt. Their are international members getting royally screwed by this, since they're pushing US laws down everyone's throat. US laws that even vary from state to state. Parts of Florida outlawed dancers in strip clubs going fully nude, so does this mean next there will be a Linden in every SL strip club, policing whether dancers can go nude or not, even on a mature sim? This is a game! It's intended to be fun. Sure, people have pocketed nice amounts of L$ and probably cashed out well, too, BUT THE LINDENS TAKE A CUT OF THAT BY HAVING THEIR ASKEWED EXCHANGE RATE! So....if a guy wins 50,000L at poker and cashes it out for less than he'd have paid for that much L$ when the Lindens take a nice size cut of it, does that make Lindens Labs the bookies or the odd-makers? If they're going to outlaw gambling and games of chance, I see they give us an even exchange rate to start with. Next...I predict requiring social security numbers for age verification and completely doing away with all rights to privacy.
As far as I've read and been told, this new "rule" applies to: Slingo Multi-slingo Zyngo Tringo Greedy Poker Video Poker Easy and Mega Money Money balls Those scratch-offs the lotteries Blackjack Roulette Craps Slot machines Raffle Balls Sploders Pizza Hi-5 If you click and the game randomly generates numbers and someone can win from it, it's gone. They didn't say, though, that we couldn't keep them, if the player didn't win something. My idea: set your Slingo/Zyngo, etc to a 0L$ pot with 0% to the pot (possibly still set a play price to something low) and set up a high score board and give away gift certificates to the top five. They'll still pay to play it and if you get a gift certificate or a decent prize to the winner(s) that IS NOT L$, they can't do anything. |
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SqueezeOne Pow
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07-26-2007 15:27
I am adicted to personal freedom.... as I said, this is a matter of principle... It didn't escape my notice that you couldn't resist a bit of moralising.... I can't say that I'm surprised... this all thing is about moralising and preaching *rolls eyes* _____________________
Semper Fly
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Juan Wright
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07-26-2007 15:29
I wasn't bashing the USA. I like the USA. However, I don't like when US laws that don't exist where I live, have effect on me. Don't confuse simple commentary that is likely shared by almost every non-american with bashing. What's next, banning gay second life marrages? just kidding... "I agree with that. At very least I hope it will piss a lot of people off so they'll leave and make some more server room for the rest of us!" At most I couldn't see even 1% of the population leaving because of gambling being banned. I've played and run them in world, but I'm not sad to see them go. For the most part you will only lose money and these days most of the slots being played were to activate or increase the value on camping chairs. value of camping chairs¿?¿? Oh yes is really funny sit the avatar all month for pay a little land rental... Excuse me friends since now i can't have fun with you at disco because i need all time for camping... Sure we can buy a lot of things with 2/10 min lindens... This is the end for a lot of people that need play games for win enough lindens. Time to see a game with almost all people sitting in chairs... if you find a free one of course. Certainly have taken care of not moving away from the PC and moving the mouse occasionally not to lose your chair... I can't understand why sl didn't try to regulated the gambling in second life or find a legal way for do this. |
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SqueezeOne Pow
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07-26-2007 15:29
When the outlawed alcohol and gambling after trying unsuccessfully to tax the pants off of it in the United States, it went underground. It looks to me like this is just another way to police something that doesn't need policing blah blah blah... It's a legal issue unlike the "broadly offensive" issue (for the most part). You're using the wrong arguement for this one. /me thinks it would be sweet if there were speak-easys in SL. I wouldn't go to any since I don't gamble, but the thought of it is awesome. Time for all those blinged-up mafiosos to put their L$ where their xcite parts are! _____________________
Semper Fly
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Har Fairweather
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07-26-2007 15:36
"GOP dead white men." Boy, now there is someone who is getting sppon-fed dogmatic left-wing-ideological crap, probably from someone whose brain is also not functioning. Perhaps an "instructor" in one of his freshman "introductory" courses? You would think someone at college might actually think now and then.
Orwell's geese are alive and well! Just honking a different tune these days, from "Four legs good, two legs bad." It's a good thing the idological left doesn't reproduce much. |
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Isablan Neva
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Join date: 27 Nov 2004
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07-26-2007 15:42
"GOP dead white men." Boy, now there is someone who is getting sppon-fed dogmatic left-wing-ideological crap, probably from someone whose brain is also not functioning. Sorry to burst your bubble but neither side has a monopoly on spoon-fed dogmatic ideologial crap. It flows freely from both ends of the spectrum. Yours is no worse than his is.... _____________________
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SqueezeOne Pow
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Join date: 21 Dec 2005
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07-26-2007 15:47
"GOP dead white men." Boy, now there is someone who is getting sppon-fed dogmatic left-wing-ideological crap, probably from someone whose brain is also not functioning. Perhaps an "instructor" in one of his freshman "introductory" courses? You would think someone at college might actually think now and then. Orwell's geese are alive and well! Just honking a different tune these days, from "Four legs good, two legs bad." It's a good thing the idological left doesn't reproduce much. Hey it's angry guy! I missed you! You totally missed a bunch of buzz-words in your post. You also missed the point of mine. Care to actually add to the discussion instead of just jump in and talk shit? _____________________
Semper Fly
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Har Fairweather
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07-26-2007 15:49
Sorry to burst your bubble but neither side has a monopoly on spoon-fed dogmatic ideologial crap. It flows freely from both ends of the spectrum. Yours is no worse than his is.... Do not jump to conclusions. I am pro-abortion and favor legalizing marijuana. You gotta control that knee-jerk reaction of yours. It is inappropriate in most places outside a physician's office. |
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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07-26-2007 15:49
What you call an “inconvenience” , I call an infringement on my free will. You may call it that. You would be wrong, but you may call it that. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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07-26-2007 15:50
I am adicted to personal freedom.... as I said, this is a matter of principle... So, I guess there are no laws in your native country, then? _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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SqueezeOne Pow
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07-26-2007 15:54
You gotta control that knee-jerk reaction of yours. It is inappropriate in most places outside a physician's office. This post is dripping with irony considering how you generally post, Har. Anyone care to get back on topic? I'll start... So does anyone know if they're actually going throughout the grid and systematically just deleting everything gambling related and handing out warnings and bans? Or is this a "Report Broadly Gambling material" type situation left to snitches? _____________________
Semper Fly
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
Red warrior is hungry!
Join date: 20 Sep 2006
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07-26-2007 15:59
How about the Lindens look at their exchange rate? Those sure as hell look like random numbers and a game of chance when it comes to the fact that you can buy L$ at one rate one day, a different the next and when you go to sell L$, you're lucky to get 75% of what you originally paid for it back. Just because it looks random to some people doesn't mean that it actually *IS* random. . _____________________
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RobbyRacoon Olmstead
Red warrior is hungry!
Join date: 20 Sep 2006
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07-26-2007 16:01
...does anyone know if they're actually going throughout the grid and systematically just deleting everything gambling related... I'm gonna be a little bit miffed if they are, since they can't seem to care enough to do that to the millions of screamers and lolcubes and followers and "what have you" that currently exist on the grid. . _____________________
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Oryx Tempel
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07-26-2007 16:03
Oh come on, everyone likes to blame America now and this one they have a bit of a case. It used to be the Russians when I was a lad, my nan would sure as hell be blaming the Russians for the crap summer we've had if she were still alive. LOL! _____________________
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Arsenic Soyinka
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07-26-2007 16:04
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everything that is wrong with Second Life is wrong with the United States ... or is it the other way around ? . |
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Dagmar Heideman
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Join date: 2 Feb 2007
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07-26-2007 16:07
My current speculation is the timing of this policy change has to do with the timeline for the US Federal regulatory agencies to issue regulations for banks and other financial institutions as to how to comport with the provisions of the UIGEA that apply to them. That timeline scheduled the release and promulgation of those regulations this past month. Upon promulgation of the regulations the banks and other financial institutions must (if they are subject to US jurisdiction) block all payment transfers made through them to any internet operator that is deemed to be processing funds for or from gambling as such is defined under the UIGEA. Further, the banks are shielded from lawsuits under the UIGEA if they mistakenly block payment transfers to internet operators that are misidentified as processors of gambling funds. That means it doesn't necessarily matter whether the gambling in SL is covered by the UIGEA. The banks are free to take the position that based on their interpretations of the law they should block payments to Linden Labs and Linden Labs has very little recourse to remedy this situation other than to sterilize Second Life of anything that even remotely smells of gambling so that all US banks and financial institutions will continue to allow funding to Linden Labs from its customers and other income streams unhindered. That's an understandable position for Linden Labs to take. That being said, this month was earmarked for this occurence upon the passage of the UIGEA way back in 2006. It begs the question, why didn't Linden Labs announce that it would in all likelihood be forced to prohibit gambling in Second Life by July, 2007 for the aforementioned reasons? If this is the reason that the wager policy has been adopted at this time then the responsible and ethical thing to do would have been for Linden Labs to be candid about their intentions from the get go, i.e. announce way back in 2006 that barring the repeal or substantial amendment of the UIGEA, by July, 2007 they would have to prohibit gambling of any kind to ensure uninterrupted funding through US banks? But this is all speculation so no point in getting all worked up about it. Just food for thought.
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Juan Wright
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This is clear
07-26-2007 16:08
All we know why LL did it. Yesterday i was talking with a girl in a casino. I can't understand the questions. I was thinking she had a problem with some machine but no. She was one of the FBI agents searching the owner of the casino...
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GreenGate Widdershins
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07-26-2007 16:11
. everything that is wrong with Second Life is wrong with the United States ... or is it the other way around ? lol... of course not... not so long ago it used to be a great place... great people... but something changed, and I'm tired of getting preached at from over the pond, telling me what should i do and what i shouldn't do. I guess that's why this thing made me so angry.... |
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Oryx Tempel
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07-26-2007 16:13
So does anyone know if they're actually going throughout the grid and systematically just deleting everything gambling related and handing out warnings and bans? I really hope so. Is there an LL "Casino Czar"? They're gonna have their hands full! _____________________
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Oryx Tempel
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07-26-2007 16:14
and I'm tired of getting preached at from over the pond, telling me what should i do and what i shouldn't do Just like Germany didn't do with its pornography laws? _____________________
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