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Yes Or No Voice Activated On Property

DJHawk Fredrickson
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08-03-2007 15:02
The voice Server is having issues right now, they are working on the issues now and trying to get it back up and running properly
Virrginia Tombola
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08-03-2007 15:25
From: Maklin Deckard
What sim is that Ceera? Unfortunately, from posts I read on SC, my sim admin appears ready to leave it on during the free period and, if its cheap enough, go pay on it in 08 (I may have misunderstood his post though).

I really do not want to live in a voice sim, as much as I love Caledon, I am looking at alternatives...its bad enough to now be second-class in SL when I travel the grid, but at my home and shops too? :(



Please do not leave, Mr. Deckard. With perhaps one or two exceptions, I can't think of anyone in Caledon who would predominantly use voice. Many are vehemently against it. While not a RP sim, there is much of the Caledon magic that would be lost were we to become a post-literate society. FWIW, I can hear you in my mind perfectly well--you have a lovely basso profundo lion accent, with the cultured overtones one would expect from an inventor of your skill.

For now, I have not disabled voice on my parcels, although I have no intention of using voice on a regular basis, if at all. Like many, I think it might be interesting between friends once or twice, but I would hate for it to become the norm--if nothing else because it might alienate and drive away people such as yourself.

The main question I have is whether the positive aspect of leaving it on and not annoying the occasional voice-user is worth the negative of alienating those who choose not to use it.

So, again, for now voice is on. But should I see any sign that it is becoming troublesome, off it will go.
Maklin Deckard
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08-03-2007 15:30
From: Ceera Murakami
Sorry, but there is no land available in my sim. I own 1/6 of it, another household (the one the sim owner is in) owns half the sim, and a third household owns the rest. It's private and off the map entirely.


Ah well, can't blame a person for trying to escape the voice slums to be. :)
Maklin Deckard
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08-03-2007 15:36
From: Virrginia Tombola
Please do not leave, Mr. Deckard. With perhaps one or two exceptions, I can't think of anyone in Caledon who would predominantly use voice. Many are vehemently against it. While not a RP sim, there is much of the Caledon magic that would be lost were we to become a post-literate society. FWIW, I can hear you in my mind perfectly well--you have a lovely basso profundo lion accent, with the cultured overtones one would expect from an inventor of your skill.

For now, I have not disabled voice on my parcels, although I have no intention of using voice on a regular basis, if at all. Like many, I think it might be interesting between friends once or twice, but I would hate for it to become the norm--if nothing else because it might alienate and drive away people such as yourself.

The main question I have is whether the positive aspect of leaving it on and not annoying the occasional voice-user is worth the negative of alienating those who choose not to use it.

So, again, for now voice is on. But should I see any sign that it is becoming troublesome, off it will go.


Well, i DIDN'T really like voice that much, but would have tolerated living in a voice-on sim, all I REALLY want is the old-style communications windows back....UNTIL the pro-voice posters started posting here. Most of them are, quite frankly, the typical arrogant techie a**holes with a mix of Army-Of-Lamers chatroom escapees. Their posts and attitude have convinced me that I do not want to be around people like that or live in lands that would encourage that kind of behavior. :(

Last I spoke with Des about it, back at first annoucement by LL months ago, it was supposed to be off in Caledon...but based on his posts on second citizen, I am not so sure now. I am, as a protest to LL about the communicator, preparing to downtier to basic this weekend. If Caledon is going to stay voice, I may be downtiering there too.

Heard Babbage turned it off....wonder if they got land available... :(
Wildefire Walcott
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08-03-2007 15:57
I am enabling voice on all my properties for business reasons. I honestly don't understand why people are opposed to it, considering that it can be disabled within the client. Hell, if people start griefing in voice (which you can mute) instead of spewing tubgirl particles all over the place, I'll be pleased as punch.
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Analisa Mounier
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08-03-2007 16:04
I am trying to disable Voice on all my parcels but every time i relog it's activated again. It's not local because my alt can see the parcel as being voice activated too.

With the number of parcels I own, it's very annoying to have to disable it EVERY single time!
Raudf Fox
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08-03-2007 16:10
I'm leaving my shop set voice-enabled.. if they didn't turn it off or something when they introduced the First Look. I probably won't use it myself, but I don't see a reason at this time to turn it off. *mutters* Bad enough the cat plays with the mouse cables.
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Zaphod Kotobide
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08-03-2007 16:41
I don't understand the issue myself. As others have mentioned, individuals have the options to:

1) Disable voice altogether on their clients

or..

2) Just simply not use voice when it doesn't suit them, and have it on anyway for times when it does.

The people who are creating this drama over voice, and crying out about discrimination and classing of residents, are the people who don't want it, *for their own personal reasons.* Rather hypocritical if you ask me, or even if you don't. "I don't want voice, it will ruin my immersive experience in Second Life, and possibly give away something about me my adoring fans simply cannot know, therefore, voice is the spawn of satan, and NOBODY should have it." Spare me the "I'm concerned for my residents/customers" BS. If you were concerned for your residents and customers, landlords and store owners, you'd ENABLE voice, and allow THEM to decide whether or not they want to use it.

Similarly, the new "Communicate" floater, and all the drama over that, really makes me wonder. It's not perfect, but in all it's a nice, tidy way to consolidate all of the communications options into a single, easily navigable interface. "I like the old way" is a position that will never be on solid ground as Second Life moves forward. If you want to stay on this ride, you're going to have to accept the fact that the only constant right now is "change".

Onward.

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Czari Zenovka
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08-03-2007 16:53
The vintage jazz club where I am employed states they are a music venue and will not have voice enabled.

*Cheers!!!*
Wildefire Walcott
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08-03-2007 16:56
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Similarly, the new "Communicate" floater, and all the drama over that, really makes me wonder. It's not perfect, but in all it's a nice, tidy way to consolidate all of the communications options into a single, easily navigable interface. "I like the old way" is a position that will never be on solid ground as Second Life moves forward. If you want to stay on this ride, you're going to have to accept the fact that the only constant right now is "change".

I REALLY wish I could make the chat history window shorter, and the friends list taller. I am indeed unhappy with the size and formatting of the communicator, but I don't blame Voice support for it. It's just inconvenient design.
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Ciaran Laval
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08-03-2007 17:10
From: Atashi Toshihiko

Aside from the social aspects, the fact that they might start charging island owners a fee for having voice-enabled estates next year is a big enough reason IMHO to disable it.

-Atashi


If that's the case then I'm going to turn it off. I don't want my residents getting used to something that I'll be turning off if I have to pay extra for it.
Zaphod Kotobide
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08-03-2007 17:11
Yeah. It's one thing to say "It's inconvenient design, and here's how it could be improved". It's another thing to say "You Lindens are morons. Bring the old stuff back."

From: Wildefire Walcott
I REALLY wish I could make the chat history window shorter, and the friends list taller. I am indeed unhappy with the size and formatting of the communicator, but I don't blame Voice support for it. It's just inconvenient design.
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Day Oh
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08-03-2007 17:24
From: someone
UNTIL the pro-voice posters started posting here. Most of them are, quite frankly, the typical arrogant techie a**holes with a mix of Army-Of-Lamers chatroom escapees.


I hate to think people think that... you really find a broad mix of different kinds of people. Don't get hung up thinking everybody's the same... Especially just because they Voice :(
Virrginia Tombola
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08-03-2007 17:31
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Yeah. It's one thing to say "It's inconvenient design, and here's how it could be improved". It's another thing to say "You Lindens are morons. Bring the old stuff back."


But, removing judgement from the issue, as a multiple parcel/shop owner, I have to ask myself "How many people feel that way?"

I have not turn off voice, despite the fact that I dislike it, because of the fact that it is optional. With voice off, I don't have to hear all that nattering, even on voice enabled properties. Enabling voice on a property certainly doesn't inhibit my ability to prattle on in text (as you might no doubt guess).

But, that is just me. If a good number of people begin to avoid voice enabled areas, then I might reconsider. I do not care to drive people off by the prescence of a feature I don't even use.
Seven Shikami
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08-03-2007 17:47
Voice is enabled across my entire estate -- all shops and residences, although renting residents have the right to ask us to turn it off.

But beyond private homes, there's no reason to turn it off. Many of the posts here are turning it off as some sort of protest vote against the "evil" of voice chat... but if you don't like chat you don't have to use it yourself. Just turn it off on your CLIENT. Don't rob everyone else of the ability to use it!

It makes no sense for businesses. If I'm voice chatting with a friend and I visit your place, and suddenly I can't talk to my friend anymore, I'm leaving and finding somewhere else to go, likely one of your competitors. It seems a really trivial thing to alienate people over.
Dnali Anabuki
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08-03-2007 17:50
Voice enabled on my island home and 2.5 sims. It gives one a choice. I use chat or voice equally and they are both useful and fun.
Maklin Deckard
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08-03-2007 18:44
From: Virrginia Tombola
But, removing judgement from the issue, as a multiple parcel/shop owner, I have to ask myself "How many people feel that way?"

I have not turn off voice, despite the fact that I dislike it, because of the fact that it is optional. With voice off, I don't have to hear all that nattering, even on voice enabled properties. Enabling voice on a property certainly doesn't inhibit my ability to prattle on in text (as you might no doubt guess).

But, that is just me. If a good number of people begin to avoid voice enabled areas, then I might reconsider. I do not care to drive people off by the prescence of a feature I don't even use.


Well, its already driving me and my partner out of business and out of the FOUR sims I have land on. I will not give money to any sim admin that leaves it on. period. or shop at voice enabled stores. Already tonight, day f*****g TWO, I have been insulted in two sims (one mainland, one private) for not going voice......screw voice and the people that use it, IMO!
Maklin Deckard
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08-03-2007 18:50
From: Virrginia Tombola
Please do not leave, Mr. Deckard. With perhaps one or two exceptions, I can't think of anyone in Caledon who would predominantly use voice. Many are vehemently against it. While not a RP sim, there is much of the Caledon magic that would be lost were we to become a post-literate society. FWIW, I can hear you in my mind perfectly well--you have a lovely basso profundo lion accent, with the cultured overtones one would expect from an inventor of your skill.

For now, I have not disabled voice on my parcels, although I have no intention of using voice on a regular basis, if at all. Like many, I think it might be interesting between friends once or twice, but I would hate for it to become the norm--if nothing else because it might alienate and drive away people such as yourself.

The main question I have is whether the positive aspect of leaving it on and not annoying the occasional voice-user is worth the negative of alienating those who choose not to use it.

So, again, for now voice is on. But should I see any sign that it is becoming troublesome, off it will go.


There are no positive aspects to voice users, see my previous about my two run-ins with voicers tonight. They are a mannerless and crude lot, and making caledon voice enabled reduces us to their level and enables them to bring their bile to our homes and businesses....unacceptable to me.

So, as soon as I figure out what my land is worth per m^2 in the various sims I have holdings in, I am gone from Caledon and its on the market. Tore down all but my SkyCity store tonight...leaving it up this weekend for last minute shoppers from Caledon...they're good people and if they want anything, well, I don't begrudge them last minute purchases.
Distilled1 Rush
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08-03-2007 18:57
voice on mine and I use it... I chat as well

I did a wedding (the clergy) in voice and chat a couple a weeks ago it was very nice ... those afraid of it well we had a bridesmaid with a man voice and no one said a thing (yes it was a F av ;) )

no grief at all and been active on my land 1/8th sim since its been first look, I dont see any issues, apparently there are some idiots out there hu?
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08-03-2007 19:00
Why isn't this a poll?
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08-03-2007 19:02
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
Why isn't this a poll?

Or a Pole?
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Aleister Montgomery
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08-03-2007 19:11
Voice is disabled on the Island of Dark Delights for three reasons.

First, I don't want to give the impression that I or other Dark Delights staff can be addressed with voice chat. I don't even have my sound turned on when I'm in SL. It would be unfair to give customers the impression that I'm able to hear them.

Second, I want my customers to be able to shop in quiet and piece, without being bothered by the chat of others. Text chat can be ignored or hidden, voice chat not when a customer is trying to judge the sound effects of one of my products.

Third, the area around the shop is a roleplaying zone. Voice and RP don't work together. As soon as every SL resident can freely choose from a variety of voices to match their appearance, that might change. But until voice morph or voice masking software works flawlessly and is integrated into the appearance menu, roleplayers who don't have the right voice to go with their avatar or refrain from using voice for privacy reasons shouldn't get into predicaments. Visitors of my island can simply point out to everyone looking for cheap phone sex or a "gender check" that voice chat won't work here.
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08-03-2007 19:25
From: Aleister Montgomery
Voice is disabled on the Island of Dark Delights for three reasons.

First, I don't want to give the impression that I or other Dark Delights staff can be addressed with voice chat. I don't even have my sound turned on when I'm in SL. It would be unfair to give customers the impression that I'm able to hear them.

Second, I want my customers to be able to shop in quiet and piece, without being bothered by the chat of others. Text chat can be ignored or hidden, voice chat not when a customer is trying to judge the sound effects of one of my products.

Third, the area around the shop is a roleplaying zone. Voice and RP don't work together. As soon as every SL resident can freely choose from a variety of voices to match their appearance, that might change. But until voice morph or voice masking software works flawlessly and is integrated into the appearance menu, roleplayers who don't have the right voice to go with their avatar or refrain from using voice for privacy reasons shouldn't get into predicaments. Visitors of my island can simply point out to everyone looking for cheap phone sex or a "gender check" that voice chat won't work here.


But will cheap regular sex still be available?
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Dana Hickman
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08-03-2007 19:33
It's kind of funny, but I see a lot of comments by pro-voice residents that seem to be getting irritated because so many land owners choose to NOT enable voice on their lands. Isn't it their right to not have it enabled? I guess I dont understand the thinking there... It was forced upon the masses and those who really dont want it on their lands have every right in the world to disable it for anyone there. Saying "leave it on, but turn it off in your prefs" isn't really a valid reason for MANY of the locations and reasons cited in this thread, and I understand why.
I haven't installed the new update yet, so I assume it's enabled by default on my lands. Whenever I'm forced to use the new one, I'll have it off at my homes, but i might leave it on for my store (nobody ever goes there anyway :rolleyes: ).
Aleister Montgomery
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08-03-2007 20:14
From: Brenda Connolly
But will cheap regular sex still be available?


Of course, as long as it doesn't get banned :) I don't really sell sex though, just sex enhancements accessories. The roleplay area is just... well, there was a lot of island left around the shop, had to fill it up with something.
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