Do We HAVE To Use Voice??

My condolences?

Thank you.

I hear you.

Anyone who works in a school should not be expected to talk during their play time.

Especially when that someone occasionally sneaks on line during a..ahem..."free period"..

Neither should people that work in phone support, customer service, retail, telephone order taking, rest servers, etc, etc ,etc

basically unless you live in your mommas basement or type on a computer as your sole job - you probably are "RL socialed out" between your RL social life and your job.

Of course some will want to im sure.

Nor anyone who has kids!

coco

Carlos, that is the issue. You used the sweeping generalizations such as these to support your position:




and....



I don't care one way or the other about voice, since I already use Skype when I need to for my business, so voice in SL for me neither adds nor detracts. My decision to use it on my land will be based on cost, griefing issues, and sim performance concerns, all of which for me will be fully understood once voice is closer to production. But as I read through this thread, a majority of the reasons I see from those who don't want to use voice are quite varied and sensible, so if I do end up enabling voice on my land, I certainly will not force anyone to use it, and will treat anyone using text only equally.

The real issue I see is not whether voice in and of itself is a good thing, but rather, the attitude of some on the pro-voice side which accuses the non-voice people of "hiding something." That has the immediate effect of marginalizing anyone on the non-voice side, and from a social perspective is not a good thing. The best thing that the pro-voicers could do is to show some understanding and compassion to those who don't wish to use voice, and not accuse them of being some sort of closet case.

And for non voicers: Let's not be so defensive about this and make these self fufilling propheies. There will be enough of us to allow us to socialize as before, I'm sure many voicers will respect our choice, as we should respect theirs as well. Some will be jerks about it, but they will be people not worth the bandwith anyway.

well damn, you're onto my plan!
although i have a headset and had few reservations about voice, that view has changed somewhat this past week thanks to a few situations on the beta grid.

first (about a week ago) this guy lectured me about my rudeness and poor communication skills because i refused to do anything other than type at that particular moment. i was actually building, constantly flipping between Zbrush and SL and uploading sculpted prim textures and it was just too inconvenient to be arsing around with my headset at that time. but sheesh, the audacity of some people huh?

a couple of days later while doing the same i became aware of a female giggling behind me and reading out the text in my profile in a barely discernible voice. i said (typed) i couldn't speak because i was busy..flipping between two applications, constantly going afk and stuff and she was like "oh please let me hear you," (giggle, giggle) "oh go on" .

diplomatic as i was, i was thinking "oh just **** off" in my head the whole time because she incapable of doing what i asked. eventually i just said goodbye, tpd to a different sim and hoped she wouldn't find me.

and then came the hoards of users when the main grid went down last wednesday and for the first time i got to witness a voice enabled Welcome Area at its peak. talk about confusing. i had to remove my headset, switch my regular speakers back on and drift to someplace that sounded a bit like my old SL. i guess class 4 sims will benefit because - for some - they'll become refuges from voice chaos.

heh

I guess I will be rude a lot then cause i'm not even bothering to get a mic and anyone have a class 4 sim for sale?

of course this stuff will never happen on the main grid , a dozen people who have "tried it" have declared so.

indeed. areas like ahern - where everybody congregates at the junction of four sims - will become untenable in my opinion.

i can live with avoiding people looking for sexy voice chat or a virtual alternative to paltalk, but unless voice is disabled (except for on private channels) at very busy areas, i think they'll become more confusing and unwelcoming than ever .. particularly to new arrivals.

nice new forum avatar btw. =)

i) at the moment, I can take my attention from SL for brief moments (check an e-maiil, check a website, tweak a script, get a drink) but still catch up on the conversation by looking in the chat history

ii) holding an IM conversation or two, while in public chat is currently possible, and I know I'm not the only one who does this, as I'm also not the only one to occasionally type a comment into the wrong window

iii) I do keep chat logs - this can be extremely useful to go back to in order to check date/times of meetings, the full name of someone I promised to get back or someone somebody else told me to talk to etc.

iv) An awful lot of scripted objects which currently work with text chat will not work with voice chat and will not have the additional LSL features to do so. Even Animation Overriders which can detect typing, will not be able to detect talking given the why LL has chosen to implement voice apparently.

Thank you *smiles*

I wonder if the readily accesible amount of sex in Second Life, as well as the large amount of peopel who see it as an online relationship simulator, will make voice a much different thing then it was in say There.com.

I dont think the voice proponents should be worried about the non-voicers , or even the anti-voicers;

They should be worried about the actions of their fellow voicers driving people away from leaving voice enabled.

What a crazy thread, with crazy responses. Always hated anti opinions when its based on something that is an OPTION!

Those that are anti-voice will be as bad as those that are anti-no voice.

I don't really intend on using voice BUT, welcome any enhancements to the world which add an extra dimension as an option.

Sure this will create some initial divisions but so what. Those that want voice will use voice, those that dont' wont, and those that don't care either way will use both.

Get over it people, its OPTIONAL!.

It's a big sl world out there now with lots of people, everyone will find their comfortable place within this new voice capable sl world

contrary to your perception, this wasn't another voice is coming/sky is falling thread. there's plenty of constructive info and humour (to lighten things up ) to be found here too.

Interesting. Good points. These are sound reasons to use text over voice during the course of a business day or even business meetings.

I've read the arguments about voice being good for real time command and control situations, and that argument is compelling. Are there other solid arguments for voice in certain situations?

Why just don't post right away your discomfort about it instead of making a rhetorical question?

Another set of great examples for topics:

"Do we have to Build? And Texture?"
"And do those funky things in those funky programs with a funky 3D?"
"Do we have to hear the streaming music?"
"Do we have to make a bathroom in our SL house?"
"Do we really need stairs?"
"Do we need all the flying? Why can't we just keep on walking?"
"Do we need to have SL in our computers?"

nope.

maybe this is why you get snotty replies. just a thought.

These are kind of related actually, and they have to do with the dalek menace currently infesting SL. They are both quite essential.

The way LL has been pushing voice chat, it's understandable that some residents can't tell whether it's optional or not. All the hoopla about it makes it sound as though everyone is equally thrilled about it, which isn't the case.


Maybe it's because that's the nature of forums. If you think there are snotty replies now, you should have seen it before the general and off-topic forums were closed.

This is resident answers and opening posts have to be made in the form of a question or they are immediately under consideration to be locked.

I think voice would be useful for ADDRESSING AN AUDIENCE. DJs use it of course. So do performing musicians. I think a comedy club would really benefit. A teacher discussing a subject. A quiz show host. That sort of stuff.

The software the supports the voice is not aimed at voice chat only. It is more for 3D spatial sound.

hmmmm

What I find interesting in all these voice threads is the following seems to happen.

-Many rail against the coming of voice for whatever reason.

-Just as many more or less stand up for voice for whatever reason.

Many of those seem extremely annoyed and defensive anyone has any problems with voice.

Why?

Voice is already coming - its not like the arguement is voice - yes or no.

I dont understand why the annoyance. So what if a bunch of people complain about voice? - Why the attempt to shut them up, or dismiss their opinions?

In that same vein, why do we have to have a hundred threads reading the same thing? Colette is right... Voice will be here, nothing's changing that as it stands. It has an off button as far as I can tell... It's not a required thing... Sure, it could drastically change the dynamic of SL, but... What can you do? lol

I dont agree entirely - I see no reason to silence people. If they want to rant about something, let them.

I simply dont understand what the pro-voice set is so defensive about. Its like winning a game and worrying the Referee will change his mind and tell them they actually lost.