just ignore and let this one die

According to Merriam-Webster:

Ethics.
Main Entry:
eth·ic Listen to the pronunciation of ethic
Pronunciation:
\ˈe-thik\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English ethik, from Middle French ethique, from Latin ethice, from Greek ēthikē, from ēthikos
Date:
14th century

1plural but sing or plural in constr : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation2 a: a set of moral principles : a theory or system of moral values <the present-day materialistic ethic> <an old-fashioned work ethic> —often used in plural but singular or plural in construction <an elaborate ethics><Christian ethics> bplural but sing or plural in constr : the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group <professional ethics> c: a guiding philosophy d: a consciousness of moral importance <forge a conservation ethic>3plural : a set of moral issues or aspects (as rightness) <debated the ethics of human cloning>

Morals

Main Entry:
2mor·al Listen to the pronunciation of 2moral
Pronunciation:
\ˈmȯr-əl, ˈmär-; 3 is mə-ˈral\
Function:
noun
Date:
15th century

1 a: the moral significance or practical lesson (as of a story) b: a passage pointing out usually in conclusion the lesson to be drawn from a story2plural a: moral practices or teachings : modes of conduct b: ethics

They seem to be about the same thing...

Morning thread and thread people! I am much too tired to answer such deep questions about morals and ethics. Besides, I am an Athiest, I have been told I had neither. Problem solved.


Have a great thready day everyone!

That's all well and good- participation is voluntary. However, belief or lack thereof in a deity is not required. I am not a believer myself yet am not with out some modicum of ethical and/or moral responsibility.

hrm, looks like Logan.

Good Morning Threadites...

Congrats again to Bec and X, a beautiful couple.

Thanks goes out to everyone that attended my pool party yesterday. We had a great time as always.



Happy Monday Everyone
"CX"

Agreed that definition wise they are synonymous - the thread where it originated seemed to differentiate in the application of the terms, but that may have been unintentional.

Splitting hairs, heirs and hares - but the topic that seemed to be subtextual- to my interpretation- was whether these qualities were culturally biased or belonging to the human animal - are we born with standards that are non-negotiable and a direct result of being what we are (human) or are these "rules" - morals, ethics- culturally imposed? Another take on nurture vs nature. The comparison was then made to the differences in human culture and how this affects the standards that are considered moral or ethical by a particular group.

My personal opinion is that as a direct result of our higher thinking abilities we evolved ethics or morals as a self preservation dynamic. By controlling our behavior we contributed to the survival of the species as a whole because we are by nature community animals. Thus by instilling behavior that contributes to the survival of community we ensure the survival of the species. So that the "good of the many outweighs the good of the one".

How does this relate to war and conquest? It could be argued that the underlying big picture, perhaps subconsciously, would lead one group to wage war in the desire for expansion and spread of its own culture to further ensure (at least that would be the desired result) the survival of said culture.

Off to RL work and dismally un-fulfilling thought processes involving banal numbers - blech!

It was a bad joke.

Sorry I couldn't make it CX. Looks like you all had a great time!

let's see some catching up:

blue fine gel pen. Best for signing things because gels soak into the paper and thus can't be rubbed off. Also photocopy better (blue to distinguish original). Not something I had previously worried about until getting into a legal battle with workman's comp. I am a "rightie" tho, can see were south paws would be an issue with gels.

Ethics and Morals. I'll actually go one step further. IMO "right and wrong" are social constructs. Thus ethics and morals are based off said sense of right and wrong. To a neanderthal it was "right" to kill his neighbor and steal his food. It could mean survival for his own tribe. As "civilization" evolved so has ethics/morals and it continues to change. For example: stem-cell research. There's no "innate" infallible definition whether that's right or wrong. It varies by political leader/religion/individual.

Hmmmm...and I could swear that was Max flying the plane...

Don't make me pull out the photo of Air Cadet Boccaccio dousing a beautiful Spitfire in the sea near the Hangout, lady.

okay the ethics/morals and cultural thing

What if you are a vegetarian and go to someones home where they serve a large plate of a juicy skirt steak?
Do you not eat it because of your own beliefs and offend the host or is the host offending you by expecting you to consider their feelings before your own? Its the same problems not matter what broad context that scenario is used in. Why cant we all just be conscious of each other and have no expectations of each other. I ya ya..lol
I have no answers just try to avoid problems and run off if I can personally.
Just a little old scardy cat that cannot handle the drama anymore life is to short.

If your host knew you were a vegetarian and insisted on serving YOU meat- they are in the wrong for not allowing for your sensitivities. If they did not know, you are still not required nor should you be expected to violate your morals to please them, but they are not to blame.

Black Ink, Fine Tip.



I still have a drawer full of these



They smear really easy especially for people like me who happen to be a southpaw. Then again, there's nothing I can write with that doesn't leave a smudge across the side of my hand



/me waves to her fellow lefty.

Lefties Unite!

I'd say...not thanks Im just here for the cake!

Dyslexics of the world- Untie!

I have to agree. I would never try to force someone to change thier food preferences because of my prejudice and opinions. If I value them as a friend I have to respect thier wishes just as they respect mine.

"CX"

Now, THAT'S something we can get our teeth into. "Where do morals and ethics come from? Is there some absolute standard?"

C.S. Lewis thought so. In his book "Mere Christianity", Lewis argues that we are aware of a Moral Law, which we fail to live up to. From this, he argues (most persuasively) for the existence of God.

Secularists and atheists will counter that our moral sense is something we are taught, both formally and informally, in childhood, and that it depends entirely on the culture in which one is raised.

But, while I point out the two sides of the debate, I'm going to step back and decline to participate. Religious arguments always lead to...um, argument. Maybe those who want to debate this should do it in another thread. We need to keep this one civil...and alive!

And Damien...did you see the thread about the 666x666x666 megaprim?

Hmm- perhaps you are correct in that some would grow heated. I do not want to contribute to the demise of our Home Thread - however, I think we may run a risk of having another GD type thread if a moderator decides philosophical issues have no place in a forum dedicated to SL.

I will look up you C.S. Lewis reference though - I would be interested in seeing how one can argue for the existence of god sort of from the outside inwards. I would have thought it would go more like- there is a god and he gave is rules to live by type thing rather than- we have these concepts therefore they were ordained by god. Unusual construct.. but maybe it is related to the creationists' ideas that since we are here there must be a god.

Yes, I need one just to keep in inventory.

yep me I will take that cake any day ,and so here is something in a nice direction for your viewing pleasure.

I think this song is so representative of SL and the video kinda looks like it to. For pocket full of Sunshine.
http://www.natashabedingfieldusa.com/

CX! Thanks...you always throw a great shindig. I find it's a fantastic way to end the weekend. And don't we all look nice and sparkly in this pic?

There is actually quite a large gap in the meanings of Morals and Ethics. An ethical position need be based on right and wrong. A moral position is based on cultural obligations, be they societal or religious. In some ways, morality is a system which tells one how to act, while ethics is the study of such systems. But the words are often applied synonymously.

Unless intentionally meaning to offend, the serving of meat to a vegan is neither immoral nor unethical. The forcing of the vegan to eat it is both unethical and immoral.