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Voice Chat Can Really Kill the Mood on WoW

John Horner
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06-22-2007 04:04
From: Alicia Mounier
You can use the headphone of the headset if that didn't get damaged in the bowl of soup, though holding a headset speaker close to your mouth kinda sucks and it doesn't pick up as well as the mic.

Something that is related to this post. :eek:

Mom tells kid no more WoW!


I must admit I laughed a bit but I know how the kid must feel. In WoW (unlike SL) it can take a great deal of time to define and achieve an objective, for that reason I never log on to WoW when there is ANYTHING else I need to do work wise in any one day.

However SL is something people can dip in and out.

But I think the actions of that kids mother and father indicate how many people view virtual reality worlds, that are something that’s not "real" and does not relate to first life. If that kid had been playing football, baseball, or any other first life team sport I cannot imagine any parent would break the game just to send his kid to bed (once the game had started) The same analogy may apply to board games such as Chess (which as we know can be played via board or computer) But take any computer type "game" and the rules or role play reaction is different.

That is another debating point for voice in SL. Currently many people leave behind first life when they enter virtual reality type worlds, and it can take time to learn to adjust.

This example even includes such "half way" houses such as this BB. Here we have a monitor who has responsibility to moderate debate because Linden Labs set rules defining what we can and cannot talk about. Can anyone imagine going to a first life social situation such as a club/Pub etc where conversation itself is moderated.

In most cases that’s just not necessary, normal folks understand (mostly) the reasonable limits of behaviour and moderate themselves, even if under the influence of the demon drink!!

In virtual reality thought that is not the norm, many people (although not a majority) leave all morality and consideration for others aside when they enter.

That is one of the issues around the use of voice.

Would be interesting to read/listen to Strife (our moderator) on this issue. Why DO people behave differently in virtual worlds, than they would in real life, curious to read some views?
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06-22-2007 04:23
From: John Horner
I must admit I laughed a bit but I know how the kid must feel. In WoW (unlike SL) it can take a great deal of time to define and achieve an objective, for that reason I never log on to WoW when there is ANYTHING else I need to do work wise in any one day.

However SL is something people can dip in and out.

But I think the actions of that kids mother and father indicate how many people view virtual reality worlds, that are something that’s not "real" and does not relate to first life. If that kid had been playing football, baseball, or any other first life team sport I cannot imagine any parent would break the game just to send his kid to bed (once the game had started) The same analogy may apply to board games such as Chess (which as we know can be played via board or computer) But take any computer type "game" and the rules or role play reaction is different.

That is another debating point for voice in SL. Currently many people leave behind first life when they enter virtual reality type worlds, and it can take time to learn to adjust.

This example even includes such "half way" houses such as this BB. Here we have a monitor who has responsibility to moderate debate because Linden Labs set rules defining what we can and cannot talk about. Can anyone imagine going to a first life social situation such as a club/Pub etc where conversation itself is moderated.

In most cases that’s just not necessary, normal folks understand (mostly) the reasonable limits of behaviour and moderate themselves, even if under the influence of the demon drink!!

In virtual reality thought that is not the norm, many people (although not a majority) leave all morality and consideration for others aside when they enter.

That is one of the issues around the use of voice.

Would be interesting to read/listen to Strife (our moderator) on this issue. Why DO people behave differently in virtual worlds, than they would in real life, curious to read some views?


I'm beginning the think a lot of people don't behave differently in RL. That would explain a lot. I must admit to laughing more than a little. The wrinkle in your RL Sports analagy is this, in my opinion. Most youth team sports have a set time period: Football has 4 quarters, basketball has 2 halves, baseball is more open ended, but Little League and such generally don't play extra innings, so you know the kid will be done in 2 to 3 hours usually. But aren't these games epic open ended affairs, that just go on and on? So where do you break the action to send the kid to bed? Before I came to Second Life, I was amazed too that kids, (and adults) could sit at a computer playing a game, for 4,6, 8 ,12 or more hours. I must admit if I were a parent , and it was a nice summer day, I'd be hitting the off button on the computer and sending them outside. And probably hitting my off button as well and joining them.
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06-22-2007 05:52
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
You know how it wouldn't go over well in Britain to call the British "rotten-toothed limeys"?

That's how it wouldn't go over well in the South to call people "Yankees."

You won't win any points back for saying, "That's what we do overseas," either. To put it bluntly, there are people who would actually hurt you, physically, for calling them that in person.

The Civil War left an impression that hasn't completely gone away.


The correct term is the War of Northern Aggression.
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06-22-2007 05:56
From: Chris Norse
The correct term is the War of Northern Aggression.


Don't be a Sore Loser. History is , after all, written by the Victors. (I don't know why all history books happen to witten by guys named Victor......)
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06-22-2007 05:58
From: Brenda Connolly
Don't be a Sore Loser. History is , after all, written by the Victors. (I don't know why all history books happen to witten by guys named Victor......)


Don't worry Brenda, I still like you, even if you are a Yankee.
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06-22-2007 06:10
From: Chris Norse
Don't worry Brenda, I still like you, even if you are a Yankee.

PLEASE...use any perjorative for a Northerner but that one. If you really are my friend.......
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John Horner
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06-22-2007 06:26
From: Brenda Connolly
I'm beginning the think a lot of people don't behave differently in RL. That would explain a lot. I must admit to laughing more than a little. The wrinkle in your RL Sports analagy is this, in my opinion. Most youth team sports have a set time period: Football has 4 quarters, basketball has 2 halves, baseball is more open ended, but Little League and such generally don't play extra innings, so you know the kid will be done in 2 to 3 hours usually. But aren't these games epic open ended affairs, that just go on and on? So where do you break the action to send the kid to bed? Before I came to Second Life, I was amazed too that kids, (and adults) could sit at a computer playing a game, for 4,6, 8 ,12 or more hours. I must admit if I were a parent , and it was a nice summer day, I'd be hitting the off button on the computer and sending them outside. And probably hitting my off button as well and joining them.


Hmm, you have got a good point on both the time (and the real life anology!) although when I enter WoW I have set objectives for that session and generally log off when thouse objectives are met or are unobtainable. But then I am a goal orientated person
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06-22-2007 06:41
From: Nina Stepford
reminds me of the laser disc. basically lp-sized dvds in the mid 80s. the technology was there, but people preferred vhs for another decade.

Reminds me of the phonograph. The technology to record and play sounds was there but still stubborn conservative people kept on reading books for more than a century :eek:
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06-22-2007 06:57
From: Chris Norse
Do you mean an American or a Yankee accent? I am American, but I sure as hell don't sound like a Yankee.


Yes, but I'm English and don't object to being referred to as a Limey - despite the fact that that term only really applies to English sailors specifically.
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06-22-2007 07:02
From: Alicia Mounier
You can use the headphone of the headset if that didn't get damaged in the bowl of soup, though holding a headset speaker close to your mouth kinda sucks and it doesn't pick up as well as the mic.

Something that is related to this post. :eek:

Mom tells kid no more WoW!


That was one of the greatest things I have ever heard!!
I play World of Warcraft too - or atleast I did until last week, when I cancelled my account because of Blizzard's appalling customer service. (believe me, if you think LL's customer service is bad, you have no idea.)

I'm sure this is a scene that is repeated all over the world on a regular basis.

Kids are stoopid.
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Morwen Bunin
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06-22-2007 07:10
From: White Hyacinth
stubborn conservative people kept on reading books for more than a century :eek:


Errmmm..... I still do read books.... often even....

Morwen, the stubborn conservative Dutch cheesehead :P
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06-22-2007 07:12
From: Brenda Connolly
PLEASE...use any perjorative for a Northerner but that one. If you really are my friend.......


Its a baseball thing, Chris - Brenda dont like the yankees.
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06-22-2007 07:12
From: Conan Godwin
Yes, but I'm English and don't object to being referred to as a Limey - despite the fact that that term only really applies to English sailors specifically.

How about.. Tommy..?
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06-22-2007 07:15
From: Brenda Connolly
How about.. Tommy..?


That's soldiers.
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Conan Godwin
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06-22-2007 07:19
From: John Horner
I must admit I laughed a bit but I know how the kid must feel. In WoW (unlike SL) it can take a great deal of time to define and achieve an objective, for that reason I never log on to WoW when there is ANYTHING else I need to do work wise in any one day.

However SL is something people can dip in and out.

But I think the actions of that kids mother and father indicate how many people view virtual reality worlds, that are something that’s not "real" and does not relate to first life. If that kid had been playing football, baseball, or any other first life team sport I cannot imagine any parent would break the game just to send his kid to bed (once the game had started) The same analogy may apply to board games such as Chess (which as we know can be played via board or computer) But take any computer type "game" and the rules or role play reaction is different.




This kid's parents acted entirely appropriately. Spending all day and night on a computer game is unhealthy, and that included SL. In the same way that an occasional beer or glass of wine is an enjoyable and life-improving experience, but taking it to excess is unhealthy.

From the garbled account on the video, I gathered that it was 11pm or there abouts when this happend - so yes, I would break an outdoor sports game or a game of chess to bring my children to bed. How old do we think this child was? From his voice and behaviour I'm guessing between 9 and 12 max. No 12 year old should still be up at 11pm when they have to be up at 6am the following morning.
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06-22-2007 07:22
From: Conan Godwin
Yes, but I'm English and don't object to being referred to as a Limey - despite the fact that that term only really applies to English sailors specifically.


Tea sipping crumpet muncher?
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06-22-2007 07:22
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Who's fault is that, though? Does this mean that because some kids can't play nice with the beach ball in the pool that we should take all the beach balls out?

I think it's the "pressurer's" problem for not accepting the fact that the non-voicer doesn't want to use voice. It's also the non-voicer's problem for not being able to handle confrontation well. It's no different than resisting someone who wants to have fake SL sex with you and you're not interested. If even that level of confrontation is too difficult then you should re-think playing any online social computer games/platforms/whatever SL is.

Don't take away something just because some people might not know how to handle it. If that was the answer then SL would have been closed down alltogether after the child porn incident!


No one is going to "take away" voice. So I dont see the rationalle. The explaining how it has/ and will continue to affect people - is just that- explaining.

Voice is here to stay. We will have to get used to it. But no one has to said everyone has to like the negative aspects. Some people obviously werent aware there were any negatives. Others continue to resist that there will be any.

Linden Labs never gave people the option of debating whether Voice should be added, therefore your post is aimed at the wrong concern. They arent going to remove it after they paid for it.
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06-22-2007 07:23
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Errmmm..... I still do read books.... often even....

Morwen, the stubborn conservative Dutch cheesehead :P

Shhh... don't tell anyone: I even OWN books ;)

White, another Dutch fan of Old Amsterdam cheese
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06-22-2007 07:25
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No one is going to "take away" voice. So I dont see the rationalle. The explaining how it has/ and will continue to affect people - is just that- explaining.

Voice is here to stay. We will have to get used to it. But no one has to said everyone has to like the negative aspects. Some people obviously werent aware there were any negatives. Others continue to resist that there will be any.

Linden Labs never gave people the option of debating whether Voice should be added, therefore you post is aimed at the wrong concern. They arent gooing to remove it after they paid for it.


I'd love to see a poll for a variety of issues like this added in world, perhaps at log on. Ask a question click and go. To get a true sense of how residents feel on issues.
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06-22-2007 07:39
From: Chris Norse
Tea sipping crumpet muncher?


I'd be offended if that weren't entirely accurate. Damn you and all your kind!!
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06-22-2007 07:41
From: White Hyacinth
Shhh... don't tell anyone: I even OWN books ;)

White, another Dutch fan of Old Amsterdam cheese


*gasp* I read a book just yesterday!! Where do I go to turn myself in?
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06-22-2007 07:45
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I'd be offended if that weren't entirely accurate. Damn you and all your kind!!

Oh, he said CRUMPET Muncher..........
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06-22-2007 07:52
From: Carlos Cameron
Oh? And the majority of people choose not to use voice? In this case it's more like the majority approve and even if they didn't it wouldn't make any difference as they're adding it regardless.


Certain technologies don't need peoples approval such as voicing in games. Did the devs at EVE ask the gamers or the public if they wanted voice in that game? Did they ask the gamers in this one? Have they asked in upcoming games or games already out? Of course not! it's ridiculous to even think that.

Voice in games is something they're now adding and they don't need your approval so comparing this to 8 track tapes or anything similar dosen't make sense as those items were left behind because newer better and smaller ones came out. Voicing in games is something totally different.

You can't compare the two.


Voice in SL is a bit different.

Linden Labs decided it was coming - and claimed it was becuase the community as a whole had been asking for it.

No one in the community even remembered LL asking.

In fact they hadnt been, so there was a considerable annoyance that LL chose to say they were giving us this feature at our request.

People dont like it when Linden Labs plays the "Community wants this, and community says that" games on any subject. Especially becuase Linden Labs makes no real effort to guage what the community wants.

You are right in saying Linden Labs doesnt need to ask anyone whether or not they can add voice ...

But they also should not act like they did.
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06-22-2007 07:56
From: Colette Meiji
Voice in SL is a bit different.

Linden Labs decided it was coming - and claimed it was becuase the community as a whole had been asking for it.

No one in the community even remembered LL asking.

In fact they hadnt been, so there was a considerable annoyance that LL chose to say they were giving us this feature at our request.

People dont like it when Linden Labs plays the "Community wants this, and community says that" games on any subject. Especially becuase Linden Labs makes no real effort to guage what the community wants.

You are right in saying Linden Labs doesnt need to ask anyone whether or not they can add voice ...

But they also should not act like they did.


Does it matter? It's an optional extra. Why should LL need to ask the community if it's okay to add in an optional feature. Just don't use it if you don't want to - I won't be.
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06-22-2007 08:35
From: Conan Godwin
Does it matter? It's an optional extra. Why should LL need to ask the community if it's okay to add in an optional feature. Just don't use it if you don't want to - I won't be.


They dont need to ASK US,

but if they dont ASK US.

they shouldnt say they ASKED US,

and that we ASKED for it.

is that more clear?
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