Gambling Equipment Removal List

The sploder has to display the names of the last three people who entered the contest in order to prove that the names were not randomly generated. A easy fix.

I had a old Russian Roulette table just returned to me. I forgot there must be some random number generator in it to dictate when the bullet is shot. I know this item is still for sale in-world. Does anyone know if it is available without the 'pay' feature?

Oh really? then if thats the case there are many many of them still in operation all around sl?!

Exactly what I thought. The owner of the game gets no percentage of the money paid into it. Its just for fun. Actually the money paid into it is not at all necessary. I know the item is still for sale as it is. I sent the creator a off-line asking for a new table without the pay option. No response as of yet.

OhI responded to the wrong post. These spolders will remain in operation until abuse reported by 'concerned citizens'.

this is just sick! with all the issues of teh UI breaking and what is occuring now. LLABS is policing these devices? No order of impotance in what needs to be done.............NEVER NEVER have a seen a messup game we call SECOND LIFE. Are the Lindens even doing their jos right? frankly speaking no! because it seems there is NO order at all in the ranks. Each is doing their own ego tripping thing on sl. shakeshead.is this worth all the BS as they say anymore?

You're overreacting and completely distorting the attention Linden Lab gives to enforcing its wagering policy and its importance to Second Life. Linden Lab expends almost no resources at all enforcing it. It does not have personnel actively policing it. If someone AR's a gambling device they investigate and return the item with a warning in first instances and gradually work their way to account suspensions for repeated violations. That's the entire extent of their commitment to enforcing the policy. Linden Lab is obligated to do so to protect the financial security of the company from potential actions against it under the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. That should actually rank pretty high in the hiearchy of business priorities.

And Linden Lab should not rely on its customer base to enforce their policies.


Linden Lab did not use its customer base to locate residents that needed to pay VAT. Only when LL's bottom line is effected by new laws does it take it in its own hands to enforce policy. Beyond that they turn the residents on each other and let the feathers fly. Divide and conquer.

So using a database with membership information to find Euro residents = Searching the grid on an ongoing basis to find items that can be hidden in inventory until they are used?

I agree that searching the grid on an ongoing basis is probably impossible. But how hard would it be when an object is determined to be gambling device to simply remove it from the databse thus deleting every copy of it out there? (including from inventories)

Because that is user created content which can be re-fitted or altered to comply. Sometimes with months and months of work in it.

All I had to do to make my video poker comply is comment out the line of code that pays during a cash out and instantly I have a pay to play arcade style video poker game which complies.

If they were to remove my content from thier database that would be totally wrong.

Something being in inventory and being in world are two different things.

Its not their law to enforce.

The gambling ban, and its enforcement is a completely different situation from VAT. This is a situation where there's a US Law that prevents US Banks/Credit Cards from sending money to companies that provide "Internet Gambling".

From a moral perspective, Linden could care less about whether we gamble or not. That's part of the reason why the gambling ban is enforced on a complaint-basis only.

Linden *does* care about getting paid, however. They don't want the US Government to tag them as a "Gambling Website", thus cutting off how the majority of US Residents pay. So they're going through the motions (at the minimum they can get away with) - to make it appear that they're at least complying with the law.

This is why Linden only enforces the gambling ban when something is either in plain view of a Liason, or when a resident files an abuse report. The gambling ban may indeed be a Linden Policy that's being invoked..... but the source of it is actually a US Law.

Linden was backed into a corner on this one by the US Governement - blame our Senators & Congressmen. If they chose not to comply at all - there would be no Second Life for anyone to complain about.

Going through the motions should not include resident's policing the grid.

"Linden was backed into a corner on this one by the US Governement - blame our Senators & Congressmen." Naaa, blame the credit card companies and banks in the US that lost millions on bad CCD debt due to people using them for on line gambling. So they lobbied to make a law a to stop it. Blame the people with no restraint that charged up thousands in gambling loses then couldn't pay.

Perhaps, but that's the minimum neccesary for Linden to be compliant with the US Law. (And even that is shaky if a prosecuter chose to pursue it!)

Considering that Linden flat-out does not have the resources to police it in totality without jeopradising their viability as a company - they have no choice but to enforce this rule as the minimum they can get away with.


What would you suggest they do instead?

-Don't depend on residents to report content in violation. Task an army of new Liasons to be on the lookout for gambling content, and delete it immediately.

Where will the money to fund that come from? Could you imagine how many dedicated Liasons it would require to effectively police something like that? How happy would everyone be if they told us they were raising the cost of a premium membership to $12.95/month so they could hire Liasons to police this? This just isn't a realistic option.

-Don't enforce the gambling ban at all. Stand up to the US Government, LL!

Okay... I guess they could do that. But then it'll only be a matter of time before Linden has to close their doors because half the resident population wont have a method to pay their fees. Linden isn't operating a charity here. Even if they relocated offshore - half the residents are still in the US, and would still be unable to pay with a US Bank.


Don't get me wrong - there's P-L-E-N-T-Y to complain about. But in this one instance, I think the criticism of LL is misplaced, and should be focused on the US Government's stupid law that caused all this & needs to be overturned.