Gambling Equipment Removal List

If you have had gambling equipment removed from your property, please list the make, model and author of the machines. If it's a generic machine, just the name will suffice as long as it is descriptive.
I will move posts that are off-topic.

Sploders have been banned.

Really, even ones that don't cost to enter?

Why? just curious, thats all.

I'm amazed at the suspicious response! guys, strife might actually be surveying to see if some sort of recompense can be arranged for casino owners ...

Strife, I have had 4000 NikaSlot machines removed. Each of them cost $L10,000. Oh you can't verify that because you can't find that machine on the market? DARN

/me runs away giggling

I saw this as a public service for people who own gambling machines but aren't sure their particular models fall under teh banhammer. If they see someoen else had had identical machines removed, then they'd know the only reason theirs haven't been removed is because the staff haven't gotten round to them yet, and they should probably remove them before teh penalty rises above simply having the machines removed.

I think it is a good idea to form a list like this since the Lindens do not provide any useful info.
It is still not clear which machines are allowed and which not.

Modified Sploders are said to be ok.
What about the Zyngo machines?? Still lots around.

At present i don't buy any new games, not even if i think they are not gambling machines, until it is more clear what is allowed and what not.

You hit the nail on the head. You have put the words to my thoughts "*sigh* another 'is this banned' thread". Stickies I've found are the solution to these sorts of things.

I've been wanting to write a FAQ sticky on gambling machines since the last announcement but there are so many ambiguities and so much money at stake I don't want to put anyone in legal risk. A list of banned equipment generated by the community seemed like the best solution.

Actually that's a good idea.

As for gambling devices, if in doubt, toss it out.

I see a few clubs use a "money" orb where no one pays in, but it picks a random person to award either $L or a prize and saw one that modified a sploder that offer free entry into a sploder (pre-loaded with a certain amount) and it award equal amounts, plus it doesn't allow anyone to add $L to the jackpot.

what about "Skill Sploder"? these are just as bad.

Zyngo seems ok at the moment, but that could change.

I visit some large Zyngo places and nothing has happened to them.

Also, LL must know about these places as there is a whole island dedicated to the game.

Anyway, you could never completely get rid of it, as it can be set to not accept money.

Zyngo, Quince, Shrooms, High 5, Streetz, Slemory, Numbers

All removed this morning. This is the second visit I've had by rouge lindens.

First around 11:30pm Monday night (sl time), Nicole stopped by removed only Streetz, High5 and Shrooms. Which are basically, sl generics to PIPES, GEMS, and Yahtzee. At this time I was also suspended for 24 hours.

All with no warning, as noted we would receive within the blog.

Second, this morning at 2:30am (sl time) Harry stopped by, no warning, no email, no nothing, he removed Zyngo, Zyngo Wyld, Quince, and the remaining Shrooms games.

Each time there was no warning, no contact, and still no replies from these rogue lindens.

I have had several conversations with several lindens, and from what I can tell there is no guidelines as to what is to be removed. Each linden is allowed to use there own ideas and make the decisions on there own to what games can and should be removed.

I have closed down the rest, and even though my free play games where left standing, I am no going to be giving out more than L$25,000 a day in free play. It was never about money to some of us, and we did follow all the rules LL threw at us.

The games we still had running where not randomly decided games. Zyngo, Quince, Shrooms, High 5, Streetz, and several other games require the user to have direct interaction and decide where pieces go, fit in or need to be placed to win the game.

All of these games where well within the new policy guidelines and yet the lindens do not care, and will not listen to anything anyone else has to say. There is no recourse for their actions and they are obviously acting like nothing but a bunch of bullies on the playground.

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OMG Nicole! And your still alive! Your lucky you did not get a long banning!!!!!!!!! REALLY LUCKY!

Maybe the Lindens involved didn't know they were skill games as they might assume all games using $L are banned. They should give a warning though. Maybe someone reported your club or area.

The other day I passed through a dance club that still had some questionable games and one av was arguing with another threatening to report the games. The next day the club was shut. If I had a club, I would've nuked the games and posted them here to make sure if they were allowed or not.

The Devil May Care (slingo) board disappeared last night without warning from Parrothead Cove, right after a game finished. The cards were still out, but the main scoreboard and pot were gone.

There's even one (so far) reported case of someone getting their freeplay games taken down. 10 of those disappeared instead of getting returned. The owner is out $25,000L on equipment that was giving out free money with now wagering involved.

There's a notecard going around (IM me in-game if you want a copy) of a conversation between a game maker and a Linden. That Linded told the maker to keep the games out if he believed they were ok, and to put them back out if he believed they were wrongfully taken down. This is exactly the behaviour that Robin said could result in banishment and notices sent to RL authorities.

The Lindens seriously need to get together and put out a policy that they can stick to themselves. If they don't put out a list of games that are definately ok or not ok, they have no way of consistantly enforcing the policy, and without enforcement, there is no policy. Inconsistant or discriminatory enforcement could really open LL up to legal action. It's LL's servers and they can do what they want, but they have to apply the same rules to everyone.

Linden Labs having maybe at most 1 more year before they are out of business.

I have a Greedy Table, it is set to not take Money from anyone, denied Taking Lindens from me, so is just for fun, only, there is no Pot to win, is this legal? Do Lindens check the games b4 they take em away?

If it is just for fun it's not gambling, I'd say.

To qualify as gambling a wager of some sort must be made (in whatever format).

For example, my RL work is with online gaming. We cannot take any wagers at all from certain countries i.e. USA, Italy, Australia etc. However, anyone in the world can play for free (so long as they are over 18 ... part of the freeplay email registration requires that they state they are over 18, which covers the question as no cash is involved).

I don't know what these games entail, but are the pieces randomly generated? If so, I would think they fall into the same gray area as card games. Yes poker is a game of skill, but since the cards are randomly dealt, the government considers it a game of chance.

The blog didn't say Linden would issue warnings to remove content, it said they would remove content, and issue a warning to first time offenders. If you're operating banned gambling content in-world, and it's on a Linden's radar scope, there is no grace period - it will be removed or returned to your inventory, and _then_ you will be issued a warning.

Why am I still seeing slots and otehr one arm gambling machines all over SL?

If no one AR's them they wont go away. It also probably takes a while for Linden Lab to investigate as there are so many gambling machines such as zyngo etc. that are still being run by players.
That the game requires skill is irrelevant so long as money is paid in, random number generation plays a role in the outcome and money is paid out. If it were otherwise poker would be allowed as well.

But the money given out is not what is paid in by the payer? this alone is one rule of gambling.