theif application on the lose

One question.. Would this thing copy the contents of an object too? Say like VENDORS?

Yanno, in every single other online "world" I have participated in, and that number is at least 9 or 10, this would be considered duping, and the situation would have been dealt with swiftly and decisively.

To me, it's worse than plain old duping, because we're not just talking about a +10 Admantium Sword of Giant Slug Slaying made by the game developer here, we're talking about player made items for which LL has supposedly bequeathed us intellectual property rights. Me thinks "IP rights" is a marketing ploy and that LL really doesn't care to much about them in reality.

I find it wholly unacceptible that they make exceptions to the TOS reverse engineering clause for certain pet players, especially when said players were busy running around basically showing off and bragging about it. That fact basically negates the "Oh but we need jedi hackers like them to find security the holes, would you rather we just waited for the sith hackers to do it?", which would be great and all, had they NOT ran around showing other players, posted the code for anyone to grab, and instead kept quiet about it and informed LL ASAP. Ego FTW, I guess.

I really don't understand Linden Lab sometimes.

It's only technilogically possible to copy content that comes down the pipe.

Inventory items contained inside of other objects don't rez - so I don't think it would be possible to duplicate those.

Jesse, please correct me if I'm wrong on that.

I seriously doubt it. And not scripts in objects either, I am sure. Or at least not in source form.

But I think LL has not answered this as clearly as we might like because they are still investigating. I am sure that they will answer that exact question as quickly as possible, once they are confident that they know the answer.

[Edited to add] As alarming as all of this seems, I am betting that it's more a matter of prim shape copying (and textures?), but that it's not quite as dire as we all fear it could be. I am also quite certain that there are people at LL working and sweating over this issue right this minute, knowing that everyone is screaming for blood.

*crosses fingers and hopes the answer is a definite 'no'* I love Second Life, but I'm seriously considering finding a new hobby at this point. What is the point of setting things No copy if they can be so easily ripped?

And no, I have no real suggestions on how to solve this. Reason? I have no clue what I'd be talking about.

In case anyone missed Nimrod's post, this is being addressed by Robin on the blog:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/11/13/copyrights-and-content-creation-in-second-life/

No, the version they had (Remember, it's open source, so it might be moded) did not allow copying of contents of attachments.

You can't copy scripts or contents from the client, because the script never comes down to the client - at least not if SL works like it should. But then, lots of things in SL don't work like they should.

Unless I miss my guess, what the CopyBot does is simply duplicate objects that it "sees" as they come down from the server. This is really a simple test of being able to create objects on the server: you just send up exactly what came down.

Since an object has to be rezzed to be copied in this manner, it's not possible to copy object contents. Likewise, a script is never "displayed" to the client - it's only executed on the server. This makes scripts impossible to steal.

So don't worry about someone walking up to your vendor and stealing its entire inventory. It's not likely to happen any time soon, and certainly not from something like CopyBot.

I admit that I asked the question the first day I was in Second Life. "What's to stop someone from just making a copy from the data that's currently in my computer?" Imagine my suprise to find that it's not much.

This needs to be stopped if we want to see the current Second Life continue. I say a few TOS-backed banning might be a great place to start.

So has anyone made a watchdog group yet so we can look out for each other's stuff?

Well, Dr. Tardis, considering LL gave libsl their BLESSING to go ahead and reverse engineer whatever they wanted, and brag about it and loose it upon the world . . .

. . . I would say that brought this on much sooner.

LL didn't uphold their own TOS. They allowed this group to do this. They ENCOURAGED it. They even joined the group.

They broke their own TOS contract with us.

And to the other poster, this thing can copy ANYTHING. You selling a bed? They can copy it.

coco

They use to coco..............Nowadays nothing! Its like dealing with DELL`S cs you get a jack****!

And Alienware... Ok, back on topic.

If someone copies a prim attachment like a hairstyle, it's simply theft. They didn't buy it, it isn't freeware, ergo it's stolen. It doesn't matter how much they were able to steal, many avatar attachments come without scripts.



I just read Robin's post on the blog, and it comes down to: "Merely copying something doesn’t mean that a copyright violation has occurred."
This is fucking ridiculous. Excuse my german, but I fail to find nicer words. They allow everyone to copy every prim attachment as long as it isn't resold. Buy a pair of shoes and allow all your friends to copy them! It's legal, just don't resell the copies. Prim skirts, hair, every unscripted attachment is reduced to freebies!

This is how companies like SOE or Blizzard deal with such situations:

First, they take steps to remove such tools from any page where they are offered for downlad, by threatening the website owner with a lawsuit.
Second, they announce the existance of these tools in the official forums and remind everyone that the use of them is against their TOS or EULA and will be punished with a permanent ban.
Third, they change their client software into "spyware" (that’s what Blizzard did), to detect any application that interferes with their data stream.

Why can't LL act at least as professional as these publishers of simple online games? I don't even read a "don't do this, or we will ban you" on their blog. Only "don't sell the stuff you stole". I want to see the guy who wrote this tool banned, permanently. As well as anyone else connected to a group who violates the TOS by reverse-engineering client software and everyone's articles for sale. Geezus f.C., is this so hard? Someone knowingly creates an exploit tool, you ban that person, you announce that everyone who uses the same exploit will be banned as well and then you try to prevent it from happening again at any cost.

Apparently nothing is going to be done about this

this means, peoples shops will no longer be profitable, they will no longer release new items (unless theyre in it for fun and are willing to just set everything for free) and no one will be paying for land to run their shops on

I guess its not a loss for LL since they have their big corporations willing to pay money for things *rolls eyes*


Im 90% sure I will be closing my shop and leaving second life in the business sense, it wont be possible anymore. It is my work, and without myself giving someone written conscent to use and distribute my work, it should NOT be done


content creators- Just think of how many people are out sporting your things, they can not only get ripped from your shop- but off of avatars who bought and are wearing your things.


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Ishtara- I agree, and im apalled. Right when i thought the storm had settled- this occured.

Oh jesus... someone is selling it on SLX.

Yikes, really? Im not a member so cant search but it doesnt appear to be on slb yet

this was on the creators website

"CopyBot is not a product that we sell or distribute. It’s a debugging tool and silly demo with a [now] obviously bad choice of name. Hopefully you won’t be seeing copy bot on SLex any time soon.."

http://www.libsecondlife.org/



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http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=145961


is this really it or just someone scamming?

ahhaah can you believe this! LLabs in all its proud and stars Don`t you love this !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yikes! looks cheaper if you seach the classifieds for 'copybot' though... can anyone counter it??

Don't try to buy and install the CopyBot sold on SLExchange! It's a virus!

I'm writing this on my notebook since I don't dare to boot my computer again. I installed it for test purposes only, to see if anyone can copy my avatar that I spent weeks on, with many self-created things like an own shape, own eyes and such. Now my comp is pretty much useless. Each time I go online it downloads new trojans and other stuff and my anti-virus software can't get rid of it fast enough. I stayed offline, made a complete scan, and after rebooting the viruses are back. It even infects my software and Norton had to delete Trillian and other programs that I purchased online and never backed up. Now I can re-install XP and buy most of my shareware again! Don't fall for this scam!

shut up

[3:34] GeForce Go: Hey guys! anyone who is interested in purchasing a copybot, search the classifieds for a WORKING verison of Copybot! It's been slimmed and easier to use than the original!!

And do we see them shut the grid down now, to investigate this? No. Why not? Is this any less reason to be concerned than the full perm bugs?

Someone needs to hurry and release a game like SL, with better service and better protection

This program is ONLY to be used for good. If you find items you made, please file a DMCA report against the offender!

Sorry, but it can't be used for good. How would you do that? The sole purpose of this software is to copy content worn by others, that you do NOT own or pay for. Without asking the content creator for permission.
Or do you go and buy all the appearance items before you take a copy off of someone else wearing them?