How do I get out of the BloodLines database?

Okay, how does that happen if you don't put your SL avatar's name on your Facebook page?

Same e-mail for both = auto linked.

Please explain how that works. It's against Linden Lab's privacy policy to share your e-mail address. Facebook can't know what your SL e-mail address is.

I think you have missed a "few" threads. Here is one for you.

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It looks to me like the problem there is giving Facebook access to your e-mail contact list, and Facebook changing their privacy settings on you.

Given Facebooks track record of flagrant disregard for personal privacy, I'm not entirely sure why anyone would trust them with anything resembling sensetive information.

If the only thing your employer can find on you is that your SL avatar's name appears in the Bloodlines database, and you don't get a promotion because of it, you weren't getting it anyway.

Beyond the obvious point that this is a rather extreme example in the grand scheme of things, if my "boss" was so incompetent as to be manipulated by such garbage, he'd be doing me a favor by denying the promotion; I'd be looking for another job the next day.

You still haven't explained how said person "dug up dirt" on me in the bloodlines database, which I expect is because you are too busy coming up with a farcical example to justify FUD over third-party databases due to your personal feelings over them. I still would like to know, though. Maybe there's something I am missing here.

People are sick of stories like the one that happened to the OP. There is no 'ignorance' here. People all over the grid know about Bloodlines; they are sick of being spammed with bite requests, and players taking advantage of newbies. If you are upset, then do something about it by getting rid of the types of 'vampires' who do this to people.

I'd say sending someone a spambite request when they are about to win a lucky chair prize or about to sit or animate something, so that they click it by mistake, is ignorant. We seem to have different definitions or different viewpoints obviously.



But people make a living at telemarketing. And companies need to advertise. No one NEEDS to be a spampire.



How do you know what anyone else's priorities are? What are yours?



It's assumed by a lot of spampires that others wish to join in their roleplay, even if the person is trying to shop in a mall that has nothing to do with goth or vampires or anything close to Bloodlines at all. Once the person clicks, they must continue to play by taking new measures to erase the 'damage' (drink wormwood) - or people must play in order NOT to play (wear garlic). So how does Bloodlines not 'stick' to non roleplaying members of Second Life? Of course it 'sticks.' We are all considered 'fresh meat' and fair game and part of Bloodlines whether we want to be or not.



I think that was their point. Let the spampires (and I'm not saying all vampires in SL are spampires btw. Gabriele is one example of how it SHOULD go.) get a taste of their own wormwood for a change...I'm guessing if the grid were suddenly crawling with people sending wooden stake requests, they would NOT like it any more than others like the bite requests spam.

The problem with unsolicited and sneak bite requests could probably be dealt with if there were a mechanism for the victims to remove their name from the BL DB, and remove credit for the bite. Right now there's incentive for BL players to do this. Remove the incentive for them to do this.

The one glaring problem for the vampire hunter HUD is that if people go around spamming people who show up in the BL DB, most of the people they'll be annoying are ones who were tricked into accepting bite requests, or just accepted one to make them stop. It doubles the irritation on the very people who are the most pissed off about BL in the first place.

If your company or the company that you want to work for has a policy of doing this kind of in-depth information gathering, then I'm thinking playing on SL, or FB, or any online environment is probably not a good idea for you.

You know, the continuing examples really are as stupid as the asshats on SL that give bloodlines a bad name - so many of them have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Someone received a 'stick' that entered them into a database. Bloodlines doesn't use a 'stick' they use a 'bite'. So my earlier comment was that this person who was 'stuck' doesn't know what RP game it was, but because of threads like this one all over the internet assumes it was bloodlines - we all know what happens when we 'assume'.

If you are going to put it out there on the internet, then you must deal with the consequences. If you are doing something that you are ashamed of doing or that could lose you a job or promotion, then my guess is that you either shouldn't be doing that or you should get a new job.

And Melita, as to this statement:



The priorities I was referencing was the fact that people are freaking out that their avatar name, which is not tied to their real life information anywhere other than LL database, is in the bloodlines' database against their consent. But the same people are blowing off the fact that their real life information, including credit and criminal history, are in other databases all over the country, and available to anyone with $30. I'm sorry, but the idea that you're freaking out over a FAKE name being in a database, but you're excusing the telemarketers because they have to make money is truly amazing to me. Drama much?

I've been around a very long time. I have kids the age of some, if not most, of the posters here. I work in IT and have for many years. I've been on the internet since the late 80s - gosh, I'm guessing some of you posting here weren't even born yet. If your avatar name in a database freaks you out that much, you should probably have your internet connection removed and stick to board games.

I completely agree with this statement. But I believe that if someone chooses to remove themselves from the database when they are bitten against their will, then that avatar key must have something attached to it so that they cannot be bitten again, even consensually.

Did you know that the OP of this long, long thread has been an active bloodlines player since shortly after he started this thread? I find that ironic.

So, if you are going to allow someone to remove themselves from the database because they were bitten against their will, then it's my opinion that if that person joins bloodlines within a specified time frame, they will have to then pay a fee that is equivalent to the potion they would have had to drink in order to participate - to remove whatever is added to their avatar key when they are removed from the database. Because if I have the ability to remove my name, and I LIKE bite RP, then I could walk around SL allowing vamps to bite me all day long, never sign up for the bloodlines games, but actually participate.

So like other things, there have to equally be parameters to the 'opt-out' that you are offering.

If you think this is a long, long thread, I would suggest not opening any of the other ones around here... <.<

*nods* "Just ignore and let this one die," is our longest one right now. 99,306 replies and counting. I don't think I've even posted it in. I'm half afraid if I post there, LL will immediately close the forum and I'll be the last poster.. again.

Now, that gives one a philosophical pause...perhaps it would be well if everyone crafted each post as though it could be their last...or even THE last.

I do. However, I am brim full of apathy.

Sorry, I should remember that not everyone gets my sense of humor. That was sarcasm.

Well, given that I've had my last post already.. you'd think I'd learn to stop posting.

Is OK. Hardly anyone gets mine, either.

So maybe the person used poetic license? Did they say the actual pop-up message read "stick?" Maybe they remembered wrong, if so.



Not much for personal freedom, then? Either society or the workplace owns the person in your scenario.



If you mean "me," show me where I said it's fine with me that my data has been collected by all and sundry, not always with permission - or that I am 'freaking out' about Bloodlines. It's very annoying - to the extent many sims have banned it. It's Bloodlines' responsibility to clean their own house, not the rest of SL's.



You really have no clue about the real personal details of most here (or so one hopes), and your advice comes over as a bit condescending.

People have right to choices, and SL is important to some, and choice therefore even within what you might see as a virtual 'board game' is important to them, as well.

Lol - does that happen a lot? I am highly skeptical.

For one thing, there are other vampire roleplay sims and groups that do not have a thing to do with Bloodlines. No one needs to participate in Bloodlines if they have a 'bite fetish' - they can for instance become a 'blood doll' and have more bites than they can shake a string of garlic at.

I fully agree with you here, Melita. I'm afraid that you've missed my point entirely in all of my posts here. So I'll try to be a bit clearer.

First of all, to answer some of your questions/comments from your previous message, I was not addressing you specifically in my posts here. I was addressing the general 'you'. So none of my comments were directed at you specifically unless I was directly quoting a statement made by you.

Here are my points to this entire discussion and every other one I've seen about it.

First, there are asshats everywhere. Not everyone who plays bloodlines is an asshat. And based on my direct knowledge of a lot of people in a lot of clans, and specifically the clan run by my real life partner and myself, the majority of bloodlines players are not asshats who send blind bite requests. In fact, the times I have seen someone reporting the actual person who sent them a blind request, it has been from someone who was brand spanking new at bloodlines and didn't have a clue about what they were doing. Because, again, some people are asshats and too stupid to read instructions.

Second, I have a friend who was just fired last week from her job because of her twitter and facebook accounts. My comments regarding that are based on this: if you know you work for a company that stalks your online activity, then you have a decision to make - either be very careful about your activity or find another job. I personally do not believe it should be legal for any company to stalk your personal online or offline activity. My company does not. But if the company you work for does and you want to keep your job, then the decision is yours and the risk is yours. It is not up to facebook or SL to police you. It is only up to YOU.

As to Facebook and SL, that's a simple solution. Create a free email account and use it with one so that they have nothing in common to tie them together. Personally, I think facebook and the like are intended to gather as much personal information about their users as possible so they can sell it to the highest bidder. I do not have a facebook account and never will. But that's my personal preference. I am, however, on other forums. But they don't sell their information about their users. I'm a bit picky that way.

Third, there are a number of roleplay games within SL. Some of them do not interfere in any way with people who do not participate. Some of them, however, do. Bloodlines is not the only one, but it is the largest one with more active participants than any other game in SL. Because of that, bloodlines is the most publicized. So it catches the rap for any RP screwup. Are there things the designers of bloodlines can do to minimize the blind requests? Yes, I believe there are. But the fact of the matter is that the user carries a level of responsibility here. What I keep hearing is how awful it is that someone sent a blind bite request and someone else didn't know what they were clicking. I'm sorry, but it's hard for me to sympathize with someone who just randomly clicks things. Just because you expect it to be for something you just clicked on doesn't mean it will be. One bad click and you can do a lot more damage than just end up with your avatar name in a stupid database that does nothing. You could destroy your computer, network, etc. There are bots that watch for random clicks so that they can send viruses. There are griefers who watch for that so that they can send you scripts for that purpose. If you (meaning the general 'you', not you personally) are clicking anything within SL without reading it first, then you need someone to give you a wake up call. That isn't bloodlines' fault. And it just gets a bit old to constantly listen to people whine about it.

Lastly, I think it's a bit comedic that so many people are outraged that their SL avatar name is in bloodlines' database, but they don't seem at all concerned about the security of their credit card information with LL or the fact that they used the same email account with twitter, facebook, and SL so that now they are being tracked all over the place. My comment about priorities was related to that. I would think that your true, personal and financial information would be much more important. But apparently to a lot of people, a fake name in a roleplay database is much more damning than the security of their real name and credit information.

Yes, I realize my tone came across as condescending. Unintentionally, for the most part, but there is a part that probably was intentional. I think that as a society, we have developed a victim mentality as a whole and we cannot possibly accept responsibility for the things that happen to us in life. While I agree that there are thing bloodlines can and should do to lessen the impact of blind requests, I also believe fully that the user carries equal responsibility. Click it without reading, and it's not bloodlines' problem, it is your own. (Again, general 'you'.) Have I ever clicked something I shouldn't have or didn't intend to? Yep. I think we all have. But to constantly blame the game and not accept any of the responsibility is juvenile, in my opinion.

I always read before clicking, and I don't click things without knowing the consequences of my actions beforehand as much as possible.

That said, I still fault the INTENTIONAL design of Bloodlines to implicitly and intentionally encompass ALL residents in its customer base, thus "encouraging" its members/users to go forth and spam everyone with bite requests. Yes, people need to take responsibility for their actions, but game designers also need to take responsibility for the design of their games to avoid "opt-out-required" promotional gimmicks.

That there are some customers who don't resort to using such gimmicks doesn't make it any less egregious for them to intentionally exist in the design of the game.

I was just catching up on this thread, and NO, I did NOT give Facebook access to my email addresses....they scraped them from my AOL account. Any aol email address that I had received, was matched with an aol Facebook address. They took it. They were not given permission to do so.

Understood your post and opinions, Beach. Other than the 'you' question, which you answered above.

Understood. Didn't agree. There's a difference.

I can totally see this happening. I used to work in a cut-throat business, and although we were independent contractors (self-employed)...we competed against each other for high dollar clients....and some people would go so far as to scrape up an entire Internet trail on their competition through myspace and facebook, then follow any lead that directed them to more activities, then build up a whole case against someone's credibility. It was not uncommon at all. They would pull up everything....
cross-referencing "friends"....connecting them to dating web sites....sites such as SL....message boards.....you name it.

They knew I used SL....but I was guarded about my SL name, because I did not want to deal with the above....until Facebook tossed that name out to every aol business contact I have ever made in 12 years, that is using FB. (my fault - but it was a momentary mind lapse, that should not have resulted in an announcement to 100 people)

Not that I'm paranoid - but if I was still competing in that business - I would not be posting on this message board, as once they found my SL name....they would go so far, as to create an av and then log into the message boards....track it....then follow each post for dirt. And it's here.

I have watched people sit at their desk in their cushy office doing this with great delight, grinning and rubbing their hands together evily, snickering to themselves, every time they found some dirt. And if you're in the middle of a divorce, and there is custody of the kids at stake.....count on it.

The Bloodlines Fangs version 3.3 informs the recipient of a bite request that if they agree to be bitten their name will be stored in the Bloodlines database. This on the blue menu dialog. (not sure if this is also true of earlier versions)


Garlic not required.

There is also a Mute button on the bite request dialog that will defang the Bloodlines Fangs worn by the Bloodlines player without muting the avatar allowing the intended victim to continue conversing with that player.

Muting by Name the Bloodlines Fangs makes us impervious to all Bloodlines fangs with the same name regardless of owner, while also allowing us to converse with the fangers should we care to do this.