How do I get out of the BloodLines database?

Unfortunately that is not always an option. While most of the time it is there are two problems:

1) those dialog boxes can nt be moved aside, you need to answer them to answer another one .... and sometimes people (especially new residents) do not know what the 'ight' answer is. They just click it to get it out of the way.

2) In their infinite wisdom LL has a limit on how many unanswered dialogs can be on the screen.

Anyone is allowed to put your name on their database without your permission.
I wanted to I could keep a database of the names of everyone who posted on the forums and you wouldn't know anything about it

You accept a bite request and they add you

you wear the free garlic necklace and they mark you as not to be bitten.
They dont simply remove you from the database as otherwise you would get bite requests again or use it as a way of cheating their game by being bitten by someone you prefer.

The insulting thing I see about their system is it sais your soul belongs to the person who bit you and lists you as one of his souls. This may be slander if you don't want to play their game !
It also proves they don't understand vampire folklaw.

In real life, you can't decide whether you want a vampire to bite you or not. They just do it and that's that.

yeh but if he or she (hopefully she ) puts my name on a website, look out.

Look out for what?

naked pics of her hopefully

guess you never do any business in the EU, if you have any rl data about me I have 2 rights, you have to show me what data you have about me when I ask for it and you have to correct or remove any and all data about me when I aks for that.
if you don't do that forget about doing business in the EU.

lol im just seeing the humor side of it as in, i might be okay with a rl vampire biting me but not with her making it a matter of public record, that, i would probably take issue with

1) No, I don't do any business in the EU, and I don't live there, thus, I am not subject to such laws.
2) I am not talking about RL information.

As such, everything you just said is irrelevant.

Second Life linking with FaRcebook; it just got real.

And yet, I'm having some problems squaring that attitude with the apparent leading role you have or have had in the Arbor Project. Land cutters made the very same argument, that it was their land and they could do whatever they wanted to with it. You can say "Landcutters extort their neighbors" but people are free to ignore ad lots and suffer no economic harm. Database information - even virtual - can get spun out to affiliates and affiliates of affiliates with all the possibility for abuse that could bear a real economic cost (such as spammed invites to groups with hefty up-front charges).

Not that I'm saying you do that, but if "no one is going to tell you what to do with your data" that naturally leads to a hands-off endorsement of fraud.

Its only a matter of time until American privacy torts stemming out of common law reach to cover similar ground - if it hasn't already happened to some extent.

In today's world there are very few businesses that do not operate internationally - including many that believe they are local in scope.

It could easily come about that EU pressure could swing this one at some point for the states in a future trade dispute or treaty or even private EU citizen suing a US company in EU courts or in US courts and obtaining an EU choice of law.

We can only hope, as its always frustrating as an American to hear about situations where people in other lands have greater liberty - since we like to pretend we're the champions of freedom...

Then you need to get some perspective, because they are totally separate and different situations.



Would you please quote the message where I said I "could do whatever I wanted to with" the data I collect? or was that a strawman interpretation that you wanted to beat up instead of what I really said?



It is difficult to ignore particle-spewing, lag-inducing, lit, spinning, ENCROACHING ad towers placed on adjacent parcels bought and placed next to active neighbors' parcels in the LEAST advantageous locations for advertising, but MOST advantageous locations for harassing said neighbors into buying them out. Oh, and hey! They JUST SO HAPPEN TO BE FOR SALE! For the low, low price of L$20,000, to boot! Not only that, but the plot description helpfully reads "if you don't like my ads, buy the lot and they will go away!".

Yeah, no one is suffering economic harm from that.

It's not even REMOTELY comparable to what I said.



"Possibility for abuse" doesn't justify action. "Affirmative abuse occurring" does. If someone does something evil with data in a database, punish them for the abuse. Don't punish everyone else who is using said data responsibly.

Read: If someone is spamming you, AR them for spam; it doesn't matter why they are spamming you, or what database is out there with your name in it.

Just like someone owning a 16sqm plot isn't inherently evil (or against the ToS); it is what someone is doing with it that makes all the difference in the world.



That's a pretty far jump for that conclusion. I think you fell just a bit short. Would you like to try again?

If people choose to link their fictional characters to their RL identity, that's their choice. I am not talking about "following the trail" to MyFaceTwitHole, and am certainly not talking about storing RL data linked to their SL accounts. I am talking about SOLELY storing SL data.

However, I am going to keep data on purchases by avatars, their SL names, keys, amounts they have spent with me, what stores they visit, et cetera. Anyone telling me that I *HAVE* to remove them from my databases is going to get a rather pat response along the lines of "uhh.. no".

One of the reasons why will be the same argument used by griefers to try and get off ban lists. I'm sorry, but if I maintain a griefer ban database, no one is going to get off of it, simply by "ordering" me to do it.

MyFaceTwitHole. May I use that? That's a great one.

Oh...

If that's a database of SL avatars, then you -are- operating in the EU a good part of the time, unless you have managed to ban European users of SL from your shops.

- The complications of a global market. You're operating in both.

No, no I don't.

Nice try, though.

So you're saying European avatars NEVER EVER NOT ONCE ever visit your SL shops?

Take a look at basic rules about jurisdiction.

If you're doing business in SL, you're holding yourself out to a global market. You're pretty much potentially in every jurisdiction on the planet. If you get a customer from Europe coming in there - that creates jurisdiction in at least 3 places right off the bat: your location, the customer's location, and Linden Labs' location(s). If the Labs has an office in Europe, that puts you there yet again.

Sure they do. I've got plenty of avatars that are known to be RL people in the EU in at least one database.



I think you probably need to have a look at the laws again. I don't recall them specifying anything about non-RL information gathering.



No, it puts LINDEN LAB there, not me. My databases do not exist under the jurisdiction of any other country but the US. They aren't stored on LL's servers, and my RL companies do not have a legal presence in the EU. The fact that my websites can be accessed by EU citizens doesn't automatically place me under the jurisdiction of EU law.

The bottom line is everybody and I mean everybody collects and holds, in some form or other, information about other people. Be it SL or RL. From high government secret stuff to lowly anonymous SL. It's the way of the world. If you don't like it tough titty.

It is people using the same e-mail for both. They got blind sided. No choice in that. There are idle bosses around that do snoop. Have third party databases like this, could cause a lot of trouble and I really hate being sequestered to join it and that scam.

As I said, there should be a little sign or something which you can click of your own volition, get a confirmation and join the pyramid scheme.

... and people wonder why accounts get filled with so much fraudulent information?

it may be some time before legislation catches up with it, and in fact it may never. but as to my personal feelings on the matter, data about me is data about me; i draw no distinction at all between SL data and RL data, and i am just as protective of everything about any of my avatars as i am about any of my RL information.

I have put some thought into the idea of LL creating a policy that forces RP systems, like Bloodlines to be opt-in only and requires that people be removed from databases owned by those RP systems if they are mistakenly/wrongfully put into them.

I realized that it'd be impossible for LL to enforce.

The major issue is how to define "opt-in" and it'd have to be a clear cut with NO wiggle room or tolerance. Then they'd have to use that definition and create an equally clear cut policy on it, with step-by-step guidelines on what constitutes "opt-in" and "RP." Then they have to make sure that every Linden involved in Governance and Support know these clear cut polices/guidelines.

We all know how good LL is at that.. look at gambling.

Another major issue is databases kept by the RP system. It's one thing if the database was kept on LL's database (aka note cards and scripts), but more often than not, the RP system databases are not inside LL's sphere of influence. Since LL can't copyright avatar keys, they can't send a DMCA to other hosts to have them removed.

Basically, all LL could do is ban the ones running the database from SL. Who will promptly be back thanks to the revolving door that is the account creation.

Then there is man power required to handle this. Even if LL decided to create a submission system for RP systems, they'd need no less than three Lindens who were familiar with RPing and what that entails. They'd also need to police existing systems to make sure they toe the lines.

This all adds up to USD, which honestly, I'd rather see spent in ways that stabilized the grid and got us our bloody stipends on time.

I think everyone is really confused, or just needs perspective on this situation. When an avatar is bitten by a vampire, the only information that is kept in Bloodlines database is your name and I suppose the avatar key. I'm not sure about the key, but I'm guessing that's part of the identification of the avatar. Your names are not secret. They are definitely not sensitive or personal/private information. It's your SL avatar name. That is what is in the database. Not your credit card number or your SSN or your address or your pick number four on your profile.

Your SL name. Your SL name is also in the book known as search. I've also never heard of BL spamming their database, and I would know as I've been bit before. They use this database for their game. If you're that upset that your name is in a database used solely for the game, I can only wonder what happens if you encounter a real problem in your life.

I've wondered how many SL databases my name is in right now. After almost three years, I'm guessing hundreds. Am I worried about it? Not in the least.

It's not the information being gathered that's the problem. It's HOW they are gathering it that ticks people off. Add to that the fact that your only options to "opt out" of the game are to either pay them to remove you (which they don't normally tell newer users about) OR you get added to yet another database instead of "removed."

For an RP system that they never agreed to join in the first place. I wouldn't want my name associated with it, that's for certain and leaving your name with them? It means that you "consent" to be a part of their game, even if it's in the passive role as a number for their clans.

The rest of us are kind of ticked because they give RPing a bad rep with virtually everyone.