Wrongly used words - a pet hate
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Max Herzog
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06-24-2008 07:38
From: Kaimi Kyomoon I've been looking for an occasion to expound on the misused word that has been bothering me the most lately: myself. People keep using it as the subject of sentences when it should only be used as the object. Furthermore it should only be used as the object in sentences that have I as the subject. I do things. Things happen to me. Only I can do things to myself. And "myself" never never does anything. "Bob and myself want to thank you." WRONG "It was nice of you to invite Bob and myself." WRONG "I want to thank myself." Right "I invited myself." Right. Applause from Herzog
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Pablo Mazie
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06-24-2008 07:41
The problem with SL: Too many uptight and anal people.
People aren't writing books when they text chat. They usually need to say something very quickly. Most people text chat exactly like they would casually speak and that leads to the misuse of words.
I will often misspell words in order to more accurately describe what I'm saying. If I am joking around or being light-hearted, I'll use words like anit or spell words out in a slang or verbally dialectic way (lovin' instead of loving).
However, I do not misuse words like then and than or their and there. I don't correct other people when they do it because normally they've made a simple mistake. They've typed too fast and hit enter before they could review what was written. I don't give these people hard time.
I think people who were raised on "proper English" often have a harder time distinguishing what other less educated or those who use slang by choice are trying to say. Those people who often speak in common parlance are better able to understand each other through the use of common speech patterns.
While I feel sorry for non-native speakers, it's not Americans who screw up the English language and I'm down right sick of you Euros always blaming Americans. You lot from across the pond can also be very bad with your use of the English language.
EDIT: Too many god damn pet peeves in this thread. People, get a life.
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Aeslyn Dae
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06-24-2008 07:43
From: Strangel Bade Clarified (like buttah):
My hubby claims that "benefit of -the- doubt" is correct usage, because it refers to Platonic doubt, and Plato had that whole "one perfect ____" thing.
And if I had back all the time I've spent pondering this little phrase, I'd be about three months younger. ;P Yebbut, Plato didn't speak English.  Undoubtedly it is 'benefit of the doubt', though. My pet peeve is your and you're. Your denoting 'belonging to you', whereas you're is an abbreviation of 'you are'. Thus: "You're correct Mr Plato. Your royalty cheque is in the post." Someone's already mentioned the 'could care less' one. That makes NO sense. -- Aes
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06-24-2008 07:44
From: Kaimi Kyomoon I've been looking for an occasion to expound on the misused word that has been bothering me the most lately: myself. People keep using it as the subject of sentences when it should only be used as the object. Furthermore it should only be used as the object in sentences that have I as the subject. I do things. Things happen to me. Only I can do things to myself. And "myself" never never does anything. "Bob and myself want to thank you." WRONG "It was nice of you to invite Bob and myself." WRONG "I want to thank myself." Right "I invited myself." Right. Thanks, Kaimi. This is related to the frustration I have with the incorrect usage of "I" and "me." (I hope I didn't miss any posts about this.) "I" - subject "me" - object "The paper had to be signed by Joseph and I." WRONG "The paper had to be signed by Joseph and me." CORRECT
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Vampaerus Wysznik
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06-24-2008 07:44
From: Strangel Bade Do we give people the benefit of -a- doubt, or the benefit of -the- doubt? ^^ "a doubt" would mean one doubt out of many possible doubts. But doubt doesn't really work that way. Doubt is a less/more not a fewer/more. So you don't give a person leniency based on "one" doubt of a collective, you give them leniency based on the existence of *the* sum total doubt (singular). So it's "benefit of the doubt". Conversely, the phrase "I have my doubts" is just horrible for the same reason.
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Max Herzog
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06-24-2008 07:45
From: Pablo Mazie While I feel sorry for non-native speakers, it's not Americans who screw up the English language and I'm down right sick of you Euros always blaming Americans. You lot from across the pond can also be very bad with your use of language.
Downright is one word, Pablo. Please desist from screwing with the Queen's English. 
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Sredni Eel
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06-24-2008 07:50
I apologize if this has been said already, but I was up late and had to be up early for a DJ shift. But surprise, surprise! The grid is down and I suddenly have free time and can barely see from waking up! I should probably go back to bed, but I'm on a crusade here.
Pet peeve, directed AT English native speakers and writers: misuse of apostrophes. Here's your lesson for the day: If you are using a possessive (ie: that thing is MINE, HIS, or HERS) the apostrophe can be used. Example: That whatsamahoozits is Fred's thingie.
If you are not using a possessive, but rather a plural, don't use an apostrophe. Example: Those motorcycles on the track nearly ran me down! (This sentence should not read "Those motorcycle's on the track. . .)
You see the difference?
Another thing: Its and it's. Here's where English gets a little weird. Its is a possessive. Example: That turtle flipped off its own back by nudging the ground with its nose.
It's is a contraction meaning It Is. Example: It's now 7:42am and I am late for my DJ gig.
And please, for the love of God, learn proper use of plurals. If you have a word that ends in Y and you want to pluralize it, you add an IES at the end, and not a Y'S.
Example: I have fifty bunny's should actually read I have fifty bunnIES.
A little thought going into what you write goes a long way toward effective communication.
Get it? Got it? Good.
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06-24-2008 07:52
From: Pablo Mazie The problem with SL: Too many uptight and anal people. do not mistake sarcasm for complicity. 
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06-24-2008 07:53
From: someone While I feel sorry for non-native speakers, it's not Americans who screw up the English language and I'm down right sick of you Euros always blaming Americans. You lot from across the pond can also be very bad with your use of language. We British are da ones wot 'nvented yer aktal H'english lan-guuuage so wot we say is krekt, right! Actually that's not really true as English is largely derived from Old Frisian and to a lesser extent, Norman French! Before those appeared with the Saxon and Norman invasions, Brithonic, a fore-runner of Welsh, was spoken throughout much of England by the mainly Celtic people who'd lived here since they invaded a few centuries before the Romans did.
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06-24-2008 07:53
From: Max Herzog Applause from Herzog Thank you. From: Pablo Mazie The problem with SL: Too many uptight and anal people... People, get a life. I must admit that during the course of a fast conversation I make lots of typos and hope to be forgiven. But it is kind of fun to have a place to express some exasperation at the way people do misuse the language.
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06-24-2008 07:57
From: Conifer Dada We British are da ones wot 'nvented yer aktal H'english lan-guuuage so wot we say is krekt, right! Actually that's not really true as English is largely derived from Old Frisian and to a lesser extent, Norman French! Before those Brithonic, a fore-runner of Welsh, was spoken throughout much of England. And the language spoken in the UK today is probably not identical to that spoken at the time that U.S. language began evolving into whatever it is today.
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06-24-2008 07:58
From: Pablo Mazie The problem with SL: Too many uptight and anal people.
I'm sorry, you want the "Deviant" Thread. That's three aisles over.
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06-24-2008 07:58
Agreed. Once we used to say 'gotten' as became the norm in America, but now we say 'got'.
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06-24-2008 07:59
From: Kaimi Kyomoon Thank you. I must admit that during the course of a fast conversation I make lots of typos and hope to be forgiven. But it is kind of fun to have a place to express some exasperation at the way people do misuse the language. QFT. He who is railing against uptight people needs to Lighten Up.
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06-24-2008 07:59
From: Aeslyn Dae Yebbut, Plato didn't speak English.  Undoubtedly it is 'benefit of the doubt', though. *quirk brow* I nevah claimed was a direct quote, ya'll. And yes, I was answering my own question here. I know it's correct, but something about that phrase has always bothered me and looks wrong to my eye. Then again, so does "apparently" and "judgment." Does anyone else have words or phrases that occasionally look weird to them, or is it just my neurotype? ^^
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06-24-2008 08:00
It's naming that anatomical parts of the car (sorry, automobile) that gets Brits and Americans into the biggest pickle!
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06-24-2008 08:01
From: Sredni Eel Example: That whatsamahoozits is Fred's thingie. speaking of plural... Those whatamahoozits are Fred's things. and -2 for using "thingie" like it's a word. And some rare nouns do use an apostrophe in plural. Mostly when the noun is an acronym which has achieved the ubiquity of a word. "I have several CD's and DVD's all over my floor" is correct. Also, "the 80's" is correct.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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06-24-2008 08:03
I remember the one that my mom used to beg me to stop saying, "Where are you at?" It should be "Where are you?" period. But adding the at is so common around here that it's hard to resist acquiring the habit.
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Vampaerus Wysznik
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06-24-2008 08:04
From: Strangel Bade Then again, so does "apparently" and "judgment." Does anyone else have words or phrases that occasionally look weird to them, or is it just my neurotype? ^^ my brain refuses to accept that the word is not spelled "neccessarily".
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06-24-2008 08:04
From: Brenda Connolly QFT. He who is railing against uptight people needs to Lighten Up.  would this be complaining about the complainer complaining about complainers complaining???
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06-24-2008 08:09
From: Vampaerus Wysznik  would this be complaining about the complainer complaining about complainers complaining??? That sentence caused a matter-antimatter reaction. Please try again. ^^
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06-24-2008 08:11
I am always banging my head on the desk when I see there and their misused. Their car is nice. Lets go over there to look at it.
My problem is the regional terms. I get laughed at when I say "a sweater coat" or "dummie nipple". Another phase used here is "I joked you" instead of "I am joking"
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06-24-2008 08:11
From: Max Herzog That'll be "laziness" then, Jacquelin?  lol, yes. of course that one would be 4AM before coffee 
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06-24-2008 08:12
From: Pablo Mazie While I feel sorry for non-native speakers, it's not Americans who screw up the English language and I'm down right sick of you Euros always blaming Americans. You lot from across the pond can also be very bad with your use of the English language.
Oh chill. It's the AMERICANS that screw up most of the words shown in this thread. I live in Texas. Let's not pick on any particular nationality or group for this. Everyone botches grammar occasionally. And it's just a fun little thread that actually is educational in the process.
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06-24-2008 08:15
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook Oh chill. The phrase we would use up here would be.."Cop a Mope".
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