do we even want voice?

few things I missed out, I thought LL were cracking down on stuff like this, so why add a feature those people can use to abuse it. Yes, Voice is good, but because its good your ignoring the negative sides of it. Just wait... Real life laws... I bet you will have alot more on your plate from incidents involving Voice. Lets ban alot of the roleplaying of sexual activities, but lets add a new feature to make all more exciting for those of underage and those who love to play underage.

I don't really care about voice as I plan to use it little or not at all. But it would be nice to have the things back that SL used to have - like Friends lists, teleporting, a Search function etc

If we nerf features based on potential for abuse then prims and scripts gotta go. Following that logic, we'd have an empty, static world.

Do you wait outside the pub until happy hour is over?

Come on, voice is a right good giggle. If it starts getting abused land owners will start disabling it.

Yer.. It would be nice that LL actually listen to its players. Fix all the problems now before adding more.

I would also recommend them banning free accounts without credit info or any of that information. Firstly, to verify their age and to prevent alot of problems. And ofcourse. Make the game alot more stable.

I suggest you contact EVE Online/CCP for advice.

Yer.. Thats great. But you are ignoring alot of possiblities.

Such as;

People talking 1on1 that encounter the wrong person
People that are easily effected by abuse
Under age users
and much more

They will take care of that when they merge the adult and teen grids - People wont need to worry about geting reported for pixel / cybering minors - they can just voice em!

see? great times..

Arent we glad they have all their future plans very well thought out?


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"It's the real thing, Coke is what the world wants today."

Its all money. Nothing more. People also should read over the ToS more carefully. You are not protected for alot of things and are in some cases held responsible.

I have been using voice for a month or so now, and had nothing but good experiences with it. Sure, getting it actually *work* was a little rough for a while there -- but that's to be expected from a feature that is part of a beta client. I found myself using the first look client even when I wasn't voice chatting becuase I loved the new Communicate window -- not having to have a totally seperate set of windows open to look at chatter near me and IM's from groups / friends really cut down on my screen clutter.

What amazes me some of the comments from people who do not want voice added to Second Life.

I'm hearing people complain about how the new Communicate window dosn't let them have a seperate window for chat near them, like you used to have. You people do realize that all you have to do is click the icon in the "Near Me" tab titled "Tear Off", right?

I won't even get into the amount of complaints from people that voice dosn't work for them -- let's just say that flaming Linden Labs for not being able to use your computer is a tad silly.

And my personal favorite, i've seen multiple comments from users who suggest that they will use the voice channel only for annoying others as a way of showing the world they don't want voice in Second Life. I saw a post this morning from a user that suggessted to everyone else that they should just playing annoying tones over the voice channel for this purpose. Lucky for the rest of us, the mute resident feature is still there, and is quite easy to use.

If you don't want voice, don't use it. What's the problem?

Don`t you love it, they hold you responsible, but when other
factors occurs LLABS either does their best ( DOH use the support portal ) Yea right.........

What here already on the forums was predicted, I saw this weekend happen in the welcome area... someone getting fully attacked because she did not have voice. It was disturbing to watch

Morwen.

I've experienced it first hand, and they were reluctant to give me my account back for nothing i had any control over nor any idea of. and they even told me, that I was not aware. But still, reluctant.

Yep, I saw the same thing. It was truly disgusting. Some poor girl had the Scarlet Letter of Non-Voice painted on her and was driven out.

Yer... Women avatars. All are targetted. I wonder how many relationships IRL have and may be effected by this feature. I wonder what Married women/men will get upto with their married women/men ingame. There are many negative sides to this such as their is with simple typing... but a hell of alot more, to religion from racism with voice.

People talking 1 on 1 that encounter the wrong person: You click the resident that you don't want to talk to anymore, and you select "Mute Resident"

People that are easily affected by abuse: Disable voice. Ignore every IM you get from unknown people. Mute anyone that offends you.

Under age users: Against the TOS to begin with, should not be here in the first place anyway. I personally feel that even free accounts that never purchase L$ should still be required to provide a credit card or other form of proof of identity / age, but even without this change Linden Labs does not allow underage users, and that pretty much takes care of that.

and much more: like what? So far everything that you've brought up falls under two simple responses:

1) We are free to ignore others members of the world and mute them, ban them from our land, and are given all the tools we need to make harassment by a user almost impossiable. You can also report people that you feel are harassing you, in the event that muteing them is not enough.

2) Under age users should not even be here in the first place.

Thats okay any of us giving any warnings were alarmists .. remember?


repeat the mantra:

Voice is always Good !



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Another Alarmist Idea:

Voice should be something for verified , premium accounts. That way they at least have something on the line before they harass or grief.

And the welcome area will be much more welcoming.

I would have AR'd the people involved, not that that stops it happening at the time but it should stop the same people from engaging in such activity next time.

Well, from what I saw it's off to a terrible start. Plain and simple, mob mentality. Female avatar, no voice, logs into the infohub, won't voice, is accused of being a guy, and just verbally pummeled by the crowd.

Except that it doesn't persist. You have to tear it off every time you close the history window and reopen it later.

See the other 500 threads on voice for arguments on that .

You think of negative reasons.... and tell me them.
Yer... because I cannot be arsed to think of alot of many reasons.

Yer, people can mute people... but when the damage is done, its done. Can you do anything about it? simply.... NO you can't. Why? because where is the bloody proof, unless you record it all and were expecting such crap.

I wonder what categories i could use that would define it, who cares... here are some;


Racism
Sexual abuse
Religous Abuse
Terrorism

"The Scarlet Letter of Non-Voice?" While I must give you credit for such a colorful statement, don't you feel it a tad dramatic?

Perhaps this "poor girl" should have simply found better company? If you're talking about actual harassment that violates the TOS, perhaps she should have reported it? If this "abuse" did not violate the TOS in any way, we're supossed to feel sorry for someone who stands there and lets others abuse them and dosn't simply find better company or mute the people that offend her?

Regardless of if you speak of Second Life, First Life, or any kind of situation where groups of people are together -- they will form into smaller groups and generally not play nice with people they don't like.

I enjoy voice chatting with many of my friends in SL. Some of my friends don't use it, and I enjoy text chatting with them.

Question, how do you identify who is who and doing this when it is a lot of people in a large crowd, other than identifying the victim?

Sadly only their typed insults would be recorded for an AR of course.

I have no problems with voice and am undecided as to weather i will actually use it.
But it would be nice if they could get everything working nicely before adding something like this, i cant even spend a single L$ at the moment.

will it be possible to use voice to communicate with people outside SL like like you can with skype?, now that would give me a good reason to use voice. It would be great to call my friends from within SL.

The only problem is that LL is so hellbent on getting the voice features implemented that they're rushing it without much testing, willing to ruin the grid for who-knows-how-long.