Furnation sandbox off limits?

for some reason whenever I try to enter the sandbox in Furnation Mythica I am stopped. I get the usual blue warning box in the corner of my screen, but it's empty. Why am i unable to enter what used to be a public sandbox?

After reading your post i decided to test this for myself. I teleported in as one of my unverified alts and it ejected me. Then i used a alt with payment used and i got in. Hope that answers your question. I guess they got fed up with the griefers and think this will stop them. :/ Sadly it doesn't.

Have you tried Vista or Gamma?

i just tried Vista and it works if I teleport in Via Landmark. If I walk out though, I can't walk back in. Is becoming a paying member the only way to get allowed in?

No you just need to verify Payment info and make a small purchase, say maybe 1000 lindens.

entering you billing information will verify you account as "payment info on file"

Buying the lindens will give you a "payment info used" status


It the only way to verify someone is at least committed enough to give RL info to linden lab.

you dont need to upgrade to a preimium membership - unless you want to.

I'm not surprised FurNation has set their sims to lock out people without payment information. They get greifed a LOT and the majority of greifers are on brand new alts with free accounts. That's one way to keep them out.

Guess this is one reason why griefing is on the rise at SkyBeam Sandbox? I truly understand the pressures to keep such areas griefer free, but I would rather close my sandbox permanently than have to discriminate against the legitimate non-verified users. I truly hope it never comes to that, as I never want to see the griefers 'win'.

Char

At least one other sandbox I know of (I won't mention it's name) took the other route which is to allow group only and make membership non open, that way they can approve everyone who joins the group and easily take care of any griefers that are already in the group.

I am a FurNation admin, and I suggest that you keep trying to get in at different times.

That sounds Odd because I've used the furNations sand box Myself, because it's the one place i am rarely griefed when i need room to Build.

Angel.

I sympathize and understand corci, inf, or whoever did this idea. Being a sim admin of a furry sim myself i know what it's like dealing with griefers in massive amounts. Since furnation is the most well known furry name, thats where griefers are gonna hit first because their just that narrow minded. However it's a shame that they had to block access like that. In the process blocking out most of their community since most SL residents don't actually verify, and each have their own reasons. I wouldn't take such a drastic approach like that. I want visitors to my sim no matter how bad it gets. All i can do is wish the best of luck to both sides, because this effects both the community and the sims.

Actually I don't think that "Payment Info On File" exists anymore. (As in, those who already have that status will keep it, but no new people can get it).

I tryed about 3 months ago to get an alt with just that status, but I simply could not. It was all registered on the website properly, but it would not transfer to the game. In the end I went the full way and became "Payment Info Used" with it.

I have a friend who decided not to go all the way, who in game is still sitting on "No Payment Info On File", even though it is completely false. The only response that anyone (that I have heard of) has had is "Pay us money".

My last alt couldn't get payment info on file for 30 days after being created for some reason............

I suspect it's better than letting PN & Co just move into the sandbox on a permanent basis. And seeing you have to link a credit card or paypal account to a payment info used account I suspect it does make it harder to keep creating griefing alts with different cards each time.

It does partly salve the problem, however we always had griefers in SL even before LL made accounts free. When i started back in 2004 we had to pay $10 to make a account, which required payment info of course. It just wasn't as bad as we have now since the flood gates have been opened. Still that leaves me to believe that the more bold griefers will still be there with pay info on file.

The griefers only win if you keep giving them a place to grief. A grief-filled sandbox is WORSE than banning unverifieds...its tacit acceptance of griefers. If you ban unverifieds, at least SOME of the people get to build in peace. I don't buy into this 'We must keep it open to all and have EVERYONE suffer just for the poor unverifieds'. A one-time, 1K L purchase...boom, verified.

Personally, while I feel the Furnation sandboxes are a waste of space (as is most the FN sims, unless you LIKE watching people construct giant genitals / hermaphrodite statues while dramatically angsting about the evil hyoomans 'fursecuting' them, whateve the hell that means), they did the right thing for their particular user base, since LL refuses to do anything to ban griefers.

True. Furnation closing off access in any way, is a sign of allowing the griefers to win. I understand they get sick of the same old crap every day. heck so do i. But this is what the griefers want them to do.

I disagree, it's as much losing as deciding to start locking your house & car to stop people stealing from them.
People who really want in will get verified, it may not stop all the griefers, but will stop a lot of wannabees and maybe they'll get bored of nowhere to play and leave.

Door locks don't stop all thieves either, yet we keep using them.

A public attraction is different then a private home. I don't know any stores or public attractions IRL that don't allow people in just because they don't have money. Except for a amusement park, but thats because you have to pay to get in. I can understand using a security system to boot "KNOWN" griefers as similar to sounding an alarm when a guy dressed in black carrying a pistol and a hood over his face, is approaching your business.

The griefers attack places like this for the purpose to close them down. Ever heard of PN's slogan "ridding the internet of gayity"? Naturally thats what they think about furries or they wouldn't call us all furfags. So closing access to FN they really have given the griefers what they desired.

Being verified has nothing to do with money, it doesn't cost you a single pennie to verify. There is also no significant percentage of people in SL who can not verify; by far it's simply a "don't want to" or "don't have a reason to" thing.

It also doesn't have to get rid of griefing entirely, if banning unverifieds gets rid of 99% (fictional number) or even just half of the griefing incidents then it's a positive measure.

When the age verification plan was announced weren't there alot of people saying it's illegal in their country for them to send that personal info to Linden? There are also the security concerns. I'm not against the idea of verification, don't get me wrong.

I as a security expert see it as a act of weakness from furnation. I bet the griefers are all on their chan sites right now sharing the good news with one another and laughing about it saying stuff like "OMGZ WE GOTZ TEM TO CLOZE DOWN LAWL DEM STUPID FURREEZ WE SHOWD DEM!!!". Then they notice this act of weakness and believe the rest of the furry fandom will react the same way. All Griefers have a common goal to cause trouble. The PN Griefers are more organized, and have goals. To close down things that they find offensive. They find us furries offensive. Shutting down 90% (estimate) of furnation's access, completed part of that goal.

If only that was the case. It may have been true at the beginning when it was first introduced, but has *not* been the case for a *long* time now. Check out my previous message in this thread (#12) or do a search (I will list a sample of the threads that I just found with a very quick search, I remember seeing a number of them when they were posted).

Still says "no payment info on file" /111/e7/197536/1.html
Payment Info Problems /327/96/195049/1.html
Added Credit Card and Profile is still showing No Payment Info on File /111/e9/192168/1.html
No Payment info on file /327/4e/185184/1.html
Financial Info not showing in profile /327/d8/181155/1.html

But then their next thought is damn we lost our favorite play area................. So they lose too
And if the population verified percentage goes up, people might actually start buying stuff more too.
At them moment we have this huge population of bots and people swearing not to put RL money into SL. Newbies 2nd or 3rd sentence before they have even found places to spend is "how do I make money?"

True but theres always other places.

Ok i have to agree with ya here. This would push people out of that slope where they think everything needs to be free and handed to them. Someone the other day was impressed by one of the furry avatars i was wearing, then asked where they could get it and if it was FREE? The avatar was very well made and looks like it took months to do. I told the person "no it cost me 900. O.o" and they replied "aww". If people didn't think everything had to be free, this wouldn't be a problem. 900 linden isn't a whole lot if you think about it. On my first week in SL i gathered that much and was able to afford my own lusk avatar. All i had to do was do some dancing and attend some classes to teach me how to build/script then do it for profit.