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A Diabolic Partner

Pserendipity Daniels
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08-24-2009 04:48
From: Key MacMoragh
I left the undying thread because of your pictures of dead animals. What mirror did that hold up to me?
Well, if I needed an example of over-emotional over-reaction that would do just fine. You could have put me on ignore, or set options to omit images, or wait until everyone else stopped posting lolcats which offended me just as much, but instead you gave up something you had presumably hitherto enjoyed. Have you learned something about yourself as a consequence? There's your mirror.

From: Key MacMoragh
It's true that a reader can imagine an offense where there is none. However, I think both you and Jig have the attitude toward the rest of us, "Why are you getting upset? We're just talking about how stupid you are."

Telepathy is not a great basis for argument.

Pep (I am not responsible for what you think or feel)

PS Nothing to argue with in your post Deira.
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Jig Chippewa
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08-24-2009 06:52
If I pay, I can post. So Hal gets 100 lindens.

Interesting discussion on my character. I think Pep is correct; I do need a father-figure. My own fathers have not been failures as such; one (biological) is remote. One (step-) is dead - of dementia finally. He was much older than my Mum. They just had incredibly high expectations which I tried to meet - and did except NOT in what they wanted me to be.

Hal IS concerned I spend an inordinately long time here. My work is to blame. Intense periods of action followed by long periods in the day when I have to wait in relative boredom. I listen to BBC on internet/ read and "find my space" for what I do. I discovered SL by accident that way.

I am nothing like Pep sees me - or any one else for that matter. At least I don't think so! I regard myself as well-educated (to a point - I dont have degrees), funny, and well-liked. I am known for debate and argument. In real, people LIKE me. Maybe I return to forums to repair the "dislike" I sense. I am "audience-reliant" - a dissatified audience means I have failed in some way that I must repair. I am driven by that.

Pep has been accurate to a great degree. Maybe he does "see" me for who I am. Spoilt, irresposnible, noisy (I am always tabled in a restaurant with my guests as far away as possible from everyone else), recovering always from some addictive trait. One poster was wrong - I don't see myself as better as anyone else - I want people to see what I see in how wonderful life happens to be. Real life.

My occupation "removes" me from people. It's quite lonely doing what I do for my "crust of bread". It's not a case of poor litttle rich girl, but more a case of just being me in a crowd of people and realizing they really think I am a bit of a cow, and more than a little spoilt and self-serving. Anyway, must go, coz I am about to start my day.

One additional point - unlike Pep, I DO feel responsible for how other people think or feel. Maybe that is the "artist" in me as opposed to the objective scientist in Pep. But he's not such a bad person if there is such a thing) - more a person who doesnt care for my kind of personality. That's cool.
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Key MacMoragh
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08-24-2009 07:14
From: Jig Chippewa
I've read your message with care and consideration. You shouldnt be hurt by my posts - it's not right you should be. Try not to take me so seriously. It always end up badly when people do.
Take care, Key. I thought you'd left sl. You didnt IM me.
It's close to midnight.
Gonna go soon.


Hi, Jig. Because of disagreements with my husband about SL, I am not around as much I once was, but I am still around. You (and Pep) are still on my friends list, so you'd see when I'm online, but I guess our schedules don't intersect much. I hope I do see you inworld soon.

Hugs,

Key
Mickey Vandeverre
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08-24-2009 07:43
From: Jig Chippewa
I actually thought there would be one or two of you who would plead my case to my partner and ask for mercy for me. No, I am serious. Listen, I have been keeping you chortling for years. Losing me will be like losing a favourite sitcom or an admired commentator or intense journalist. Think of what YOU will be missing.
Remember all those days when you stamped in anger at what I said, then lingering a moment by teh kitchen sink, smiled happily to yourself at the commentaries we - WE - were making.
IM him and plead my case - but dont do it all at once, for heaven's sake otherwise all those messages will be capped. Do it over a week or so. Thanks. I'll make it worth your while and think up a post about sex in sl. :)


But you said:

From: Jig Chippewa

This is not a purely "me" post - but a question for you also.
Does YOUR partner impact YOUR reality - or does he/she purely influence your secondlife?
.


Amaranthim offered up a very thoughtful post to your question. Did you miss it?

From: Amaranthim Talon
Aside from the should she post, should she not post- her question of how and if we are impacted got lost.

I have found SL impacts my RL in many ways and by many people. I have always said this place changes us - I want to believe in for the better though I have seen cases where folks have found darkness instead of light, and yes, those folks impact us too- how can they not when we are drawn into their pain rather than their happiness. At times like that, one tries to impact them and hold your hand out in hope they can follow you into light- no it doesn't always work - but sometimes :)

On a day-to-day, those I interact with in SL, my loves, my friends, they have impacted and influened me greatly. At times it has been a font of strength to get thru the mundane. At other times great pleasure in knowing that somewhere - across the country or across the world - somebody really gets 'it'. What ever that elusive 'it' is. An other times, the one and only shining beacon that makes getting up the next day worth while. It's all relative really, where we are each day.

As for posting or not- I am not sure why or even if, we need Jig's goads- but as in all things we are free to answer or not - so why not post? Yes, I agree the tone of several of her posts is condescending but it is only the hubris of youth, 'this too shall pass'. And as for if her partner can tell her what to do or not- not our business surely if she accepts the boundaries he sets. I am sure pop psych can serve to suggest reasons for her wanting those guidelines but just not our place to question them.

Enough seriousness for 4 am - back to bed with me~


Looks like you missed it, because this was your next poat:

From: Jig Chippewa
If I pay, I can post. So Hal gets 100 lindens.

Interesting discussion on my character. I think Pep is correct; I do need a father-figure. My own fathers have not been failures as such; one (biological) is remote. One (step-) is dead - of dementia finally. He was much older than my Mum. They just had incredibly high expectations which I tried to meet - and did except NOT in what they wanted me to be.

Hal IS concerned I spend an inordinately long time here. My work is to blame. Intense periods of action followed by long periods in the day when I have to wait in relative boredom. I listen to BBC on internet/ read and "find my space" for what I do. I discovered SL by accident that way.

I am nothing like Pep sees me - or any one else for that matter. At least I don't think so! I regard myself as well-educated (to a point - I dont have degrees), funny, and well-liked. I am known for debate and argument. In real, people LIKE me. Maybe I return to forums to repair the "dislike" I sense. I am "audience-reliant" - a dissatified audience means I have failed in some way that I must repair. I am driven by that.

Pep has been accurate to a great degree. Maybe he does "see" me for who I am. Spoilt, irresposnible, noisy (I am always tabled in a restaurant with my guests as far away as possible from everyone else), recovering always from some addictive trait. One poster was wrong - I don't see myself as better as anyone else - I want people to see what I see in how wonderful life happens to be. Real life.

My occupation "removes" me from people. It's quite lonely doing what I do for my "crust of bread". It's not a case of poor little rich girl, but more a case of just being me in a crowd of people and realizing they really think I am a bit of a cow, and more than a little spoilt and self-serving. Anyway, must go, coz I am about to start my day.

One additional point - unlike Pep, I DO feel responsible for how other people think or feel. Maybe that is the "artist" in me as opposed to the objective scientist in Pep. But he's not such a bad person if there is such a thing) - more a person who doesn't care for my kind of personality. That's cool.


I don't buy that this is not a JIG LOOK AT ME, UNDERSTAND ME, FILL MY NEEDS WITH YOUR PRECIOUS TIME Post at all. You only respond if it is about YOU.....and about YOU getting your fix for the day.

That's great if people want to contribute to that - but it's not going to ultimately give you what you need - and fill all those gaps you have - it will only keep you from attaining it the right way.
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08-24-2009 07:48
From: Mickey Vandeverre

That's great if people want to contribute to that - but it's not going to ultimately give you what you need - and fill all those gaps you have - it will only keep you from attaining it the right way.


I promise I will read what you have written properly when I am home. Jiggy.
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Deira Llanfair
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08-24-2009 07:52
Jig, I feel faintly relieved that there is at least one man in SL who is willing and able to act like a grown man - instead of acting like a teenager who has to have the last word and is very much in need of a Nanny! - and if you're only posting on Fridays, then we shall just have to make this one last all week. :eek:

PS - I'd let you post for 50 L$. How's that for a good deal?
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Smith Peel
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08-24-2009 07:57
From: Jig Chippewa
IM him and plead my case













If I had any idea who your partner was, I'd IM him and recommend that spanking.


















(Actually, I thought for the longest time that your partner was "Prok" when you wrote "Prof"... LOLz)
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08-24-2009 08:01
From: Deira Llanfair
Jig, I feel faintly relieved that there is at least one man in SL who is willing and able to act like a grown man - instead of acting like a teenager who has to have the last word and is very much in need of a Nanny! - and if you're only posting on Fridays, then we shall just have to make this one last all week. :eek:

PS - I'd let you post for 50 L$. How's that for a good deal?


Any grown man or real man that I know, wouldn't put up with this SH*T for a minute.
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08-24-2009 08:06
From: Mickey Vandeverre
But you said:


I don't buy that this is not a JIG LOOK AT ME, UNDERSTAND ME, FILL MY NEEDS WITH YOUR PRECIOUS TIME Post at all. You only respond if it is about YOU.....and about YOU getting your fix for the day.

That's great if people want to contribute to that - but it's not going to ultimately give you what you need - and fill all those gaps you have - it will only keep you from attaining it the right way.



Jig has always been about Jig. She loves to "hear" herself talk.
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Amaranthim Talon
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08-24-2009 08:16
Hmm- not sure Mickey about the validity of the statement regarding her partner. We just do not know him at all from first hand interaction. And even Jig, we do not really know other than what she chooses to show us.

I had hinted at what my thoughts were on Jig's need for a father figure with the subtle reference to pop psy because i figured it was pretty obvious and did not need stating; she is self-aware enough to admit this is a drive in her. So going on a limb and assuming, since I do not have enough information to make a truly informed distillation, I think her partner recognizes this and wishes - for what ever his reasons- to fulfill that need.

Many of us enter into all kinds of relationships - both here and in the physical world - that may not be very obvious to another outside what could possibly be the draw. Granted in our SL many things are far more common than in the physical world, but not the least of value. She asks as part of the orginal question about being influenced. I danced about my answer because really what is between me and those who i share my life with is not necessarily for mass consumption, but I know as Hera, Damien's Partner, I deeply, deeply affected and I carry it out of SL and it truly is not an instant away from my mind regardless of where i am in my day's RL.
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08-24-2009 08:17
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Power exchange may *appear* low key, but it is critical in all aspects of all relationships. As soon as you have two thinking (rather than instinctual) beings wanting to share something then you have a power exchange, even if it is not apparently formalised to any degree; in fact, the biggest problem with most relationships is that one or both of the parties do not recognise (or worse, acknowledge) the implicit power exchange to which they have committed themselves.

Yes, although sometimes the problem derives from the fact that the power relationship was hidden or disguised, or has changed.

From: Pserendipity Daniels
It appears that Jig's partner has explicitly drawn aside the curtain that already existed between them, that Jig had failed previously to overtly acknowledge. Her posting history makes it obvious that she is desperate for a father figure, and one that might be presumed to attempt to impose authority over her, principally so she can demonstrate her own spirit by publicly defying him. This little scenario is perfect for her purposes. She will, of course, not keep to the terms of the agreement, enjoying her subversion and enjoying even more his eventual acceptance of it.

Ok, this is dime-store psychologizing, of the sort that one might expect from someone who has just finished reading that 4 page article in "Psychology Today," or a text panel entitled "Electra Complex" in "Psychology for Dummies."

People just aren't that simple or predictable. I can guarantee that Jig isn't, certainly. What's more, you cannot possibly know, on the basis of what you have to go on, the full complexities of her relationship with her partner, or what motivates her. The BEST that you can do here is make some tentative observations about her self-presentation, about her "persona" if you will.

Pep, I am disappointed. I expect better from you. You of all people should be able to acknowledge complexity!
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08-24-2009 08:17
From: Rioko Bamaisin
Jig has always been about Jig. She loves to "hear" herself talk.

Don't we all? Hell- we are here aren't we? :p
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08-24-2009 08:24
From: Amaranthim Talon
Hmm- not sure Mickey about the validity of the statement regarding her partner. We just do not know him at all from first hand interaction. And even Jig, we do not really know other than what she chooses to show us.

I had hinted at what my thoughts were on Jig's need for a father figure with the subtle reference to pop psy because i figured it was pretty obvious and did not need stating; she is self-aware enough to admit this is a drive in her. So going on a limb and assuming, since I do not have enough information to make a truly informed distillation, I think her partner recognizes this and wishes - for what ever his reasons- to fulfill that need.

Oh, missed this point. I agree pretty much, but I'm even more tentative about what I think I "know" about Jig -- or anyone else here.
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08-24-2009 08:25
From: Amaranthim Talon
Don't we all? Hell- we are here aren't we? :p



Not really. I post to engage in conversations with other people that I enjoy posting with. I post to help others get a question answered(when I can help that is..) I don't post to hear myself talk or ramble on about my sex life and how young and beautiful I am.
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08-24-2009 08:30
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Any grown man or real man that I know, wouldn't put up with this SH*T for a minute.




Oh, I don't know. I have a thing for spoiled chicks. And this one would certainly earn the over the lap time. I sorta can't wait to get old to fulfill my destiny as a dirty old man.
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08-24-2009 08:31
From: Amaranthim Talon
Hmm- not sure Mickey about the validity of the statement regarding her partner. We just do not know him at all from first hand interaction. And even Jig, we do not really know other than what she chooses to show us.

I had hinted at what my thoughts were on Jig's need for a father figure with the subtle reference to pop psy because i figured it was pretty obvious and did not need stating; she is self-aware enough to admit this is a drive in her. So going on a limb and assuming, since I do not have enough information to make a truly informed distillation, I think her partner recognizes this and wishes - for what ever his reasons- to fulfill that need.

Many of us enter into all kinds of relationships - both here and in the physical world - that may not be very obvious to another outside what could possibly be the draw. Granted in our SL many things are far more common than in the physical world, but not the least of value. She asks as part of the orginal question about being influenced. I danced about my answer because really what is between me and those who i share my life with is not necessarily for mass consumption, but I know as Hera, Damien's Partner, I deeply, deeply affected and I carry it out of SL and it truly is not an instant away from my mind regardless of where i am in my day's RL.


Let me rephrase it.

Not fair to say that the partner that Jig is with....is an example of a mentally healthy and competent man, and an example of what a grown man should represent.....while dissing any other man in SL for NOT being such an outstanding example.....

When in fact.....the other men in SL who do not fit the bill of putting up with this constant nonsense are most definitely an example of a mentally healthy and competent man.

Better? :)
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08-24-2009 08:36
Hehe- I 'spose- but being rather twisted myself, I can't speak for other's sanity or lack thereof- you know, glass houses and all - but that's just me. I proly wouldn't know sane if it bit me.

As for men in general- I simply do not comprehend them nor would I wish to- the mystery is the great attraction and honestly would not change them one bit. ;)
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08-24-2009 08:38
From: Mickey Vandeverre
men who do not fit the bill of putting up with this constant nonsense are most definitely an example of a mentally healthy and competent man.



I'm pretty sure psychologists aren't gonna take your proposed measurement of mental fitness and run with it. ;)
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08-24-2009 08:45
From: Smith Peel
I'm pretty sure psychologists aren't gonna take your proposed measurement of mental fitness and run with it. ;)


Just a sweeping generalization, Smith....to offset this sweeping generalization:

From: someone
Jig, I feel faintly relieved that there is at least one man in SL who is willing and able to act like a grown man.......
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08-24-2009 09:10
From: Amaranthim Talon
As for men in general- I simply do not comprehend them nor would I wish to- the mystery is the great attraction and honestly would not change them one bit. ;)


Oh well, there are one or two I've had the misfortune to have met that I'd change, given the right magic spell.


Into toads. :p ;)

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08-24-2009 09:12
From: Rioko Bamaisin
how young and beautiful I am.


We have your vanity shots for that.


/me winks
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Oryx Tempel
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08-24-2009 09:28
Seems to me that if your partner is requesting that you not post, and that if you loved and respected your partner and his needs, you wouldn't post.
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08-24-2009 09:53
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Any grown man or real man that I know, wouldn't put up with this SH*T for a minute.



Bring 'em on - I'll have 2 before breakfast!
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08-24-2009 09:55
From: Smith Peel
Oh, I don't know. I have a thing for spoiled chicks. And this one would certainly earn the over the lap time. I sorta can't wait to get old to fulfill my destiny as a dirty old man.



Promises, promises... - oh bugger, I suppose you meant Jig!
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08-24-2009 10:04
From: Aeslyn Dae
Oh well, there are one or two I've had the misfortune to have met that I'd change, given the right magic spell.


Into toads. :p ;)

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