New continent 20 sims sale

Sorry to butt into your fight, but I have glasses and I read the same thing Stephen did:



To most people, that implies a cause and effect. LL stopped releasing large quantities of sims (while they were working on island orders) > the price rose. Perhaps you didn't mean to say it, but you did.

I'm a small-time land seller (was at the half sim tier until recently, am now at 8,192 tier level.) I have no problem finding buyers. I usually sell a parcel within 5-8 days at average market price, and a bit longer for a parcel in a more "desirable" location and with a higher profit margin. From exploring, watching, and participating, there is no mass reluctancy to buy, besides the imagined reluctancy some people wish there was Even during the slump I have been able to sell plots at profit by prettying them up.

The issue is that there are a few vocal people on the forums who are angry at every aspect of SL and will lash out at the "unfairness" of everything. Guess what? SL is innately "unfair" because some people have better skills at building, scripting, texturing, or finding cheap land. Please do not whine because you do not have the initiative to develop skills.

Now for an upnote: the semi-desert area of the new continent is awesome My only complaint is that it is not bigger! Sandy desert land is a refreshing change from the norm.

Yah - an increase in wannabe land barons as middlemen creates the demand. What percentage of end users are lucky enough to be the first to buy a newly carved lot? Not many.

That's interesting - what do you do to pretty them up? And are you selling to any other land resellers?

And why is that? An end user can get it at the lowest price possible if they take a huge risk with their own funds and buy at auction (like land brokers do), or spend a lot of time refreshing the land sale list and combing through it for bargains (like land brokers do), fly around areas to see what's for sale and for how much (like land brokers do) or let it be known to other residents that they are interested in buying in certain areas (like land brokers do).

In other words, just take a risk or do a little work. That's what land brokers do. No one is going to just hand you cheap land, no matter how angry you are.

So? SL's economy is setup to encourage this activity. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I've been on both sides of the table - wanting cheap land for my personal use, and looking to find cheap land to make a small profit. My experience in the latter is pretty limited (and you're right, there are a lot of middlemen, and women, and creatures) but I have a suggestion that might help a few people so I'd like to share it.

When I've seen end users who have made it to the site of a cheap land sale, they mull around, looking at the land, checking out the neighborhood, etc., and then by the time they decide they want the land, it's already sold and marked way up and then they cry foul.

Be decisive. If it looks like a half decent regularly shaped chunk of land, just buy it, for heavens' sake! THEN check out the neighborhood. If you don't like it, put it back up for sale for a few bucks more than what you paid for it, or if you're anti-capitalist, for the same amount you paid for it. Someone will swoop down and take it off your hands within minutes, trust me. Then you can go back to looking for land that suits your tastes, and you'll come away a few dollars ahead if you choose to do so.

I hope this helps someone out there.

good for you


you know i said

linden lab stopped putting out land and the price went up

i didn't say linden lab started putting out land and made the price go up

but then you can read as much between the lines as you like

the price went up not because of linden labs but because of the buying selling occuring between barons and flippers and flippers and barons nothing more

but then again i think this is really hard for people to understand so i wont be going there suffice it to say that even though i have been called all kinds of names I seem to have been right

there is no real demand not high enough to actualy cause people to want to overpay for those sims so they got flipped repeatedly but never actualy used again how is this caused by linden labs other then to many barons and flippers wanting to make a dime so they did off each other which is pretty funny but then i guess this humour is lost on most people

meanwhile read into what i said whatever you like i know what i said and i know why i said it the way i did have fun with that again its pretty funny

i have been pretty much called someone with no credibility yet here i have stated accurately a lot of things but you want to bash my grammar and spelling fine go for it

meanwhile get back to me when you have something useful to say instead of a bunch of petty crap like this

I really sometimes wonder where some people's heads are at when they do stuff like this

/shrug

Tell that to the casual player who just wants a small piece of land, not a whole gd sim, or even a 4096. It doesn't take long to see that the prices stink and only the most impatient will buy.

They may fly around, and I'm sure that they do, and may look through search and find nothing in their price range. We're talking about why the market price is so inflated, and it starts at auction where latecomers bump up the acquisition price, and upon carving gets bumped up by the wannabes, or other established barons, and maybe again if another baron/wannabe thinks that the price is too low.

Growth rate in premium accounts lag behind the growth rate in land availability because land is generally too expensive for more casual players. If all land traders are doing is selling among yourselves, have at it! But it hurts SL as a whole.

said what to who now? lol

price rose yes because peopel put the price up ..

what it "implies" is not necessarilyl what it said i'm not one of those "grey" area people i say it as i mean it and nothing more i know that a lot of peopel like to skirt around issues and imply stuff for others to read between the lines

i dont read between lines and i dont write between them either again sorry i said what i said and that is all it said nothing more..

sheesh

I am trying to point out here why what you said was interpreted the way it was. That is not bashing your grammar or spelling. It is how most statements of cause and effect are written. If you think I'm bashing you, maybe you could use glasses too.

But now as I recall from other threads you have posted, it appears that you really just want to pick fights with everyone who doesn't agree with you. That is not productive. Since now you wish to pick a fight with me, I will take the high road and not respond to you any further.

okay? aren't you the one who was telling me what isaid and dragged this up?

i wrote this long post with all kinds of details and one line is being debated and its not actually the substance of the post either its just one setance fine interpret it how you wish but i am just responding to the comments about people wanting to debate what i said in a single sentane in a single post

i would say your the one trying to start something because your the one following it up the post was huge and long and one single sentance got picked on and what its supposed true meaning is dont you think that's kinda wierd? i know i do and i am pointing it out as such

meanwhile its not that important and again derails the thread so have at it now i have to get back to work and you can continue to tell me "what i meant" when i have already stated "what i meant" before you even posted your first post about "what i meant"

lol takes two to have any argument and your doing pretty well at dragging it up ..

/shrug

If you were in a financial position to buy a sim at auction for 10L per sq m while the cheapest piece of land in-game was 12L per sq m, you would be a fool not to do it. Bottom line.

LET ME SAY IT SLOWLY FOR YOU! so you dont misunderstand

Linden Labs created a economy, which for the most part is fueled by land sales, its not in thier interest to collapse thier own economy. Doesnt matter if they been dared to or not, that is really childish. "I dare you to lower your land prices" LOL. Let me stress again, that if Linden labs was to deflate thier economy by flooding the market with more land than it could handle it would send SL into a recession that could take years to recover from, Still wouldnt hurt the land barons and land flippers much, because just like in real life the only source of money in a recession is land. Think!

I am so happy I actually paid atteintion in Economics Class. It's what is setting the "Haves" from the "Have nots"

If it is a water plot, I may ad piers and pier bridges and thatched huts. If a normal plot, a foundation with low-prim basement (which are alarmingly popular to Goreans.) Walkways, landscaping, sidewalks if roadside, etc. Nothing complete: the goal is to show potential rather than some blank plot of land.

Please. I am no fool, and have been outbid at 40 seconds to go on land that was already --well-- over 10L/m2!

And it's illustrative of why the market is as it is - tooth and nail fighting at auction. Add in the resellers, and you see that all it does is perpetuate the problem.

What you see as a problem, I see as a thriving free market economy.

It will only thrive so long as LL stays afloat... and how long that will happen remains questionable if the land prices keep acting as a barrier to new premium accounts.

I liked what you did with that plot you bought from me.

Once the land is bought from auction someone is paying for the land. So from LL's view, once it is sold it is make money for them.

Since land brokers are not going to stop bidding on auctions or buying or selling land, what do you suggest? LL is doing their part with the new continent. Already prices have dropped. But do you have any other thoughts as to how to make cheaper land available?

land is worth what ppl are willing to pay for it plain and simple. it doesn't matter if it's a land dealer, merchant, builder, or whoever. it seems the complaints are coming from those who can no longer afford to participate in land ownership. well welcome to life, first, second, third or fifteenth, it will never change and what you are calling "unfair" is all but that. people are people here or anywhere else.

maybe there is a world somewhere, real or virtual, that will hand you a package with everything you need to make it, but that's all you get. such a world would be able to provide the ppl complaining a place to be satisfied but myself...i'll stay here and continue playing...playing life.

peace

probably wrong about that i know you are in my case. Prices are simply too high its not worth that and many many people are not willing to pay that not because they can't but because its wrong to because its a bad deal. If you just want to sell to land flippers and never actualy sell to someone who is going to be say shall we call them a "home owner" whatever that is in second life then so be it but this shows how much you actually care about the redident population. (the people who live and play in second life and own land for the joy of it and to be a part of second life) If your that uncaring as to even look at the situtaion and see that very few people are buying just a plot here or a plot there for their own use to put there little shop on or their little house on to be a part of the community then this is sad and this is the problem.

now people went premium so they can own a house on a 512 lot they wasted their money it seems and they aren't allowed to participate in second life because of the price range or whatever .

Some are new players dont you want to keep them around? I know I do they buy my content hehe they are what makes the community grows. They contribute to the economy in so many ways but if they aren't able to get a foothold then they will leave

its this short sightedness that is gonna come and bite you on the backside in the end as they stop subcribing as premium members

and as an aside the prices are coming down and i think its reasonable to pay between 5-6k for a 512 plot of land and hopefully they will get their plot but that doesn't mean that this jacking up prices is a good thing

there is more to this game then selling and buying land A LOT more and people want to be a part of that and i think your way of looking at it is kinda sucky and sad.

if the prices are if fact too high the market will correct itself accordinly, regarless of what you think. and frankly, my comment is not the way i think, i am simply stating the brutal truth.

Agreed, Market Prices always, ALWAYS correct themselves. and the cost really isnt an issue, its relative, tell me how you can justify buying a house in real life for 150k and end up paying 450k after 30 years, was that property worth 450k or 150k?

You dont need land to participate in SL, land ownership is a option NOT a requirement, if you dont agere with the prices fine, don't buy land. its as simple as that, and not worth 10 pages of arguement

When it comes down to it, the people complaining are those that dont have the SL funds, or those not willing to put in the funds to do the very same thing they are complaining about. and thats buying and elling land, and earning a profit off it. SOOO SOORRRY your feelings are hurt, wha go cry elsewhere. I love the land market good or bad we all play our own game, if your game aint making you enough money, maybe you should play another game.