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Dnate Mars
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02-25-2007 17:52
From: Wilhelm Neumann Elmaer (128,12  Mature 65536m US$2901.00 Feb-25-07 Farstone (128,12  PG 65536m US$2737.00 Feb-25-07 Zimmer (128,12  Mature 65536m US$3402.00 Feb-25-07 Belgarath (128,12  PG 65536m US$2735.00 Feb-25-07 Bowstring (128,12  Mature 65536m US$3522.00 Feb-25-07 Shoremel (128,12  Mature 61440m US$3600.00 Feb-25-07 Sialimonus (128,12  Mature 65536m US$2900.00 Feb-25-07 Glinda (128,12  Mature 65536m US$2902.00 Feb-25-07 not sure about that some are and some are not the 3.6k one is pretty funny and the 3.5k one the rest are definatly under 3k and falling one in the for 2.7k ish They still average about $3100, so the good new is that they are coming down in price, but I think it will take a bit to filter through the economy.
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02-25-2007 17:54
From: Dnate Mars Wilhelm, I understand what you are saying, but what you don't ever mention is that these prices would not be as high as they are if other people weren't buying and keeping the land at some point. These people can bid the price they are because they can sell it to others. Simple supply and demand. You can get through economy 101 without knowing that. Land in SL is not the same as land in RL. I don't understand why you are so hung up on that point. Sims online and There would be the two closest things to SL that I know of. SWG and Lineage 2 are games. You have the goal of leveling up. You are fighting monsters, collecting things, selling them for more things, and then you repeat. SWG, same thing.
What you also are missing is that all sims go to auction for $1000. People then bid up to whatever price they want. They are not being overcharged, they are choosing to pay what they want for the sim. i never levelled a whole lot in those games hehe but they are defined as sandbox no set path choose your own make your "Money" buy and sell or make it yourself the sims go for auction now at 1k but not long ago they started at 0 there was an exploit issue occuring so this number was set. these people want to gamble its fine but it does eventually collapse and linden labs has already stated they are going to load on the sims to bring the price down because that was the problem they were not adding land. also remember people have been uh "gouging" for awhile now so they got some money banked up if you think its not partially a game to them you are mistaken they enjoy it that is why they do it lets not forget they can also afford to gamble. Many a "land barron" has come and gone this is a new crop hehe there are many that existed a year ago that have gone bust doing exactly what is going on now history is repeating itself as it will because the person who actualy controls this is not us but linden labs hehe bottom line if this was truly your business you state it to be then linden labs would not be going to measure to bring down the cost of sims by loading up the market now would they? in fact people would just order from them and they would put out no new sims on their own initiative.
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Raymond Figtree
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02-25-2007 18:11
The weird thing about the auctions that just closed is that one all land sim sold for $3400 and one with waterfront was picked up for $2900. Does not appear to be a method to this madness.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-25-2007 18:24
From: Raymond Figtree The weird thing about the auctions that just closed is that one all land sim sold for $3400 and one with waterfront was picked up for $2900. Does not appear to be a method to this madness. someone punching in numbers to raise the cost of the sim and bid (been done before) and then wont actually pay for it and it will fall to the next guy at a higher price some fiddling goes on here like that as well
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Raymond Figtree
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02-25-2007 20:43
No, the person who won the $3400 sim is keeping it.
Since you have no interest in buying or selling Mainland, why are you still here? To impart more of your grammatically garbled wisdom?
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-25-2007 20:51
From: Raymond Figtree No, the person who won the sim is keeping it.
Since you have no interest in buying or selling Mainland, why are you still here? To impart more of your grammatically garbled wisdom? why are you insulting people personally? aside from that i said yes i do want to buy land i have been looking for quite some time but can't affor that price and am waiting.. meanwhile try not to insult people personally its just a message board . Why areyou still here? for flamage purpsoes? your the one that said those that didn't like the prices are just "Jealous" bye the way your sentances aren't so hot either your a flamer that is the bottom line you use strange words and when you have nothing to say you say crap like this so the value of your posts well they are not much meanwhile keep up the good flamage it always looks good on the boards when people are actualy discussing things? not sure why you suddenly did an about face are there two of you using this account because first tread into this thread you told us we aer jealous, then you get called on it and back down and start having an intelligent or semi intelligent discussion now your back to insults may i ask whY? its not mandatory reading or anything not even sure why i am busy trying to talk to you your obviously here just to cause trouble and throw around insults..
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Dnate Mars
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02-25-2007 20:51
I just looked and it seems that these new sim are lowering the price. I seem to be able to find a lot of land at under 13l/m. I wonder if we will see 3l/m again.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-25-2007 20:53
From: Dnate Mars I just looked and it seems that these new sim are lowering the price. I seem to be able to find a lot of land at under 13l/m. I wonder if we will see 3l/m again. yes hopefully they will be almost reasonable again and we can all buy the bit of land we have been waiting like 3 months to get... i also think the fact that the prices are falling arent making those that bought for say 3.4k really happy .. just a wild guess hehe but they are overvalued so its their money to flush
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Raymond Figtree
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02-25-2007 20:58
From: Wilhelm Neumann why are you insulting people personally?
aside from that i said yes i do want to buy land i have been looking for quite some time but can't affor that price and am waiting.. meanwhile try not to insult people personally its just a message board . Why areyou still here? for flamage purpsoes? your the one that said those that didn't like the prices are just "Jealous". That's not what I said. Reread my post. If you must know, I did an about face because the more you post, the more credibility you lose. I'm actually trying to help you.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-25-2007 21:04
From: Raymond Figtree If you must know, I did an about face because the more you post, the more credibility you lose. I'm actually trying to help you. by throwing insults please lol I said people cant afford it i play a game and treat it as such and am not willing to pay like 50 bucks for a sliver of land so try the auctions for the small plots what your problem the fact that my fingers are numb so my typing sucks seems like i was spot on saying they were overvalued and looks like they are and the idiot that paid 3.4k good for him the question is why? and yes people do sometimes type in bids to inflate stuff it has happened and is documented as such what credibility am i trying to retain other then i am having a conversation on a message board while watching tv because its an interesting topic to track and i am watching theland market so i can buy my 512 for the studio i have been trying to by for the last 3 months or so.. i live on estate land due to the inflated mainland prices doesnt mean i wont be buying mainland i am after all a premium member and its kind of a waste of a premium account not to take advantage of the 512 bonus.. meanwhile the "barons" are being really quiet except possibly you with your rude mouth...
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FD Spark
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02-25-2007 21:10
From: Sarah Nerd 8096 seems a bit big to me for a small area to sit around with your friends. And if thats all it's really about, spending time with friends, you can easy find hundreds of places in sl to hang out and have a good time for free. And rental may be your only option if you really want *not need* a personal place to sit around. You choosing not to is your choice. I hate to sound harsh, but getting in over your head is no ones fault but your own. I've been there I fully supported a large club for many months out of pocket before I started to get ahead when I really couldnt afford it. But that was my fault, no one elses and I didnt go looking elsewhere to place blame. Anyone can play sl with or without money, they just may not have every extra in sl they desire. It is more then that but not getting into it here. I don't want to rent, surely don't want to make the richer rich it defeats the purpose and goals I have. I don't mind renting to help people I want to support projects. I am renting now from a friend who grid is literally being shut down elsewhere. I rent only from people I support what they are doing. I have three and I am not willing to give the funds I have to anyone else for this. I rather rent directly from LL if I can. Less headaches. We need every prim we can get for our research. I am sick tired of of having clubs and casinos drain ressources of other sims so its sort of preventive measure more land my friends and I have the more space we can have to do projects without ugly signs, sex clubs and casinos shutting down the sim. I am going through that right now with a friend. You know what if I get enough friends together who want to do what I have been dream we can have our entire sim or two and that what I am working towards. At this point I am footing the bill with some help, but the others pay in other ways.
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Raymond Figtree
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02-25-2007 21:13
Wilhelm,
Pick any 512 meter plot on the Grid for under 10k and I will pay for half of it. It's time we turned that dream into a reality.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-25-2007 21:16
From: Raymond Figtree Wilhelm,
Pick any 512 meter plot on the Grid for under 10k and I will pay for half of it. It's time we turned that dream into a reality. sigh no thanks i would rather do it myself thanks not advocating the purchasing of overpriced land with a bribe thanks but no thanks
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FD Spark
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02-25-2007 21:23
I just hope sometime in future I can get more 5100 plots from auction like I did last time for my virtual city. That is only reason I got over 5k now.
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Raymond Figtree
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02-25-2007 21:23
Not a bribe. The offer stands. When you find your dream plot I will pay for half. Even if you get it as a bargain. Just IM me inworld when you are ready.
You see, I am not buying land now but when I did, I did it to pay for tier so people could enjoy my land in Carlisle that I leave open to all. That's what this greedy baron did with his profit. Another pays her mom's rent so she doesn't have to work two jobs.
Get to know your fellow land broker. Many of them would bend over backwards if they weren't always so busy defending themselves.
Linden Labs sets the market. They withheld sims and first land for months. Surprise, the cost of land doubled. Brokers are just an easy target.
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02-25-2007 21:38
hrm you said you weren't part of the problem and i believed you and again your personal affairs are not something i am worried about
anyhow its nice what you did but it was still overcharging hehe i'm not sure how linden labs is to blame for it they didn't set the price and such but again you took it personally as i said before
if you aren't part of the problem then good for you but if you were part of the problem then not good i think i said that before. Bottom line the land was over valued its going to come down again beacuse linden lab is going t drive the price down.
Also not one single post have i ever said anyone was greedy and remember i live on a land barons land ^^ again this seems to be a personal issue your angry because you think you are being bashed. No the land is overvalued I return to a game where the land had like quadruppled in value in less then 6 months.
I'm not sure why you feel you have to justify yourself to me or others some barons are "greedy" others are not you took it personally even though your name was not mentioned and you by your own admission are not one of the barons busy buying land that is now plentiful at 3k still to keep the price up.
so your not part of the problem good for you again i said i dont know you and its not my business to know you i posted in this thread like otehrs because we want to see the price come down and are going to be happy when it does I was not the one to call you a greedy baron someone else did lol (also note the statement that person made was a general one and you responded to it and i might ad violently so using words like jealousy and lack of balls.. hehe )
i simply concur that the prices will come down hard that is a hope they are overinflated (says teh broken record) and there appears (keyword) appesr to be some attemp to keep the prices at that rate looking at the landsales listings likely due to the overbidding on these last few groups of sims
again you took what is going on personally fine this is not my burden as i stated before prices are to high they need to come down and i psoted as such
meanwhile its kind of a game stopper for me to get money from others plus i do have a set of principles and paying 10k for a 512 its just nuts and comprising them because someone says they will give the money its not me its a waste and ruins the game for me if someone else does it for me
sorry if you dont get it but you trully dont understand charging high prices just becuse you can is not the way to go about things i dont know what else to say
i simply dont have the guts to over charge for stuff and never have probably would make me a lousy baron i guess because i am a sucker for that I always undercharge but to me its a game and making people pull out their real world wallets for a game is not something i can do
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Raymond Figtree
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02-25-2007 21:51
From: Wilhelm Neumann No the land is overvalued I return to a game where the land had like quadruppled in value in less then 6 months. Land barons have been around since the dawn of SL. So why did the price of land suddenly go up so much so fast? There was no overcharging conspiracy. No new practices or "artificial" inflation. It went up because Linden Labs withheld the supply at a time when there was the biggest influx of new residents in their history. Now the prices are dropping. Is it because the barons have changed their practices? No, Linden Labs is flooding the market with a supply that exceeds the demand. My point is that I believe not a single person listing land in SL is overcharging. They are getting what the market will bear. A market set in motion by the supply controlled by LL. If a person lists land for a price that takes it to the top of the list, their land will sell in less than a minute. If they set their land for $999999999 they are still not overcharging, because the land won't sell so no one is being charged. No one is being forced to overpay for anything. This is not a live or die purchase. The only exception is people who litter their plots with ugly signs so the neighbors have to overpay to get their view back. When you say people are overcharging, I equate that with you saying they are greedy. My apologies if you are not implying that. Lastly, I said I would pay for half of a 512 plot up to 10k, not because I want you to buy an overpriced plot, but because 5k is the limit of my generosity to people I don't know personally.
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02-25-2007 23:28
From: Jackson Rickenbacker I would agree with Raymond several posts ago, people really need to stop slammng people that buy and sell land. I mean what is it exactly that you dont like? Is it the high prices? What we don't like is working 2 days to pay $200 RL into the game to buy a block of land just to build a home that someone else grabbed for $20RL so they can with draw $500RL a week out of the game and not work.
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02-25-2007 23:34
From: Wilhelm Neumann that was me lol i have never seen auctions like that auctions are for fine art or wholesale prices not so you can buy at market price its nuts its like they cant stop themselves and want to win a bidding war at any cost Must...Win....Auction....At....Any....Cost...Or.....Else....Will.....Lose.... Game....May....Have...To.....Get....A.....Real.....Job...... Anyway some Noob Smuck will pay double for it........................... And yeah 16m is worth $200k, same block has been for 3 months anyway. Might put $90 Billion on my 2000m lot.................. It's worth what Lindens released it at, a Baron owning it for 6 hours hasn't made it 5 times more magical dirt. Maybe one of them could buy a whole sim put a road in a circle around the edges and subdivide the rest into 16m plots and sell them for $100k each?
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-26-2007 00:05
From: Kathrine Wirtanen What we don't like is working 2 days to pay $200 RL into the game to buy a block of land just to build a home that someone else grabbed for $20RL so they can with draw $500RL a week out of the game and not work. BINGO
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02-26-2007 00:25
From: Kathrine Wirtanen What we don't like is working 2 days to pay $200 RL into the game to buy a block of land just to build a home that someone else grabbed for $20RL so they can with draw $500RL a week out of the game and not work. As for myself and most the land people i know, we make a profit margin of about 5-7% on a deal, hardly the 1000% profit you just illustrated. See its notions like this that feed a fire that has burned out of control, fact is if i pay 300 USD to turn over a peice of property, I dont think there is anything wrong with making 20 USD on the deal... I hear World of Wussiecraft is still looking for players!
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02-26-2007 00:27
Once SL was filled with intelligent people, where did they all go?
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Raymond Figtree
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02-26-2007 01:10
From: Jackson Rickenbacker Once SL was filled with intelligent people, where did they all go? They were wisely avoiding this thread. Wish I had. I think I know what it is: Right now everyone is frustrated with just about every aspect of SL and brokers are just an easy target. What with our doing no work for 1000% profit. Why do I remember lots of hard work for 5-10% profit? At least we talk back to the angry mob. Hard to find a Linden to engage with these days. OK, as my parting gift since I've been such a rude b*stard, here is how to get the plot you want without paying a single linden to a dreaded land baron: 1) Choose the sim where you want to buy a plot. 2) See what is for sale there by using the map. 3) If you don't see what you want in your price range, IM every owner and tell them you are looking to buy. 4) Make a deal with one of them (someone is always selling). 5) Live happily ever after. Best of luck everyone. May you all outwit the evil overcharging land barons and find the low cost plot you are looking for on the sim of your dreams. If not, try Heffalump on the auction page. Get those bids in now. But don't overbid!
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02-26-2007 01:19
From: Wilhelm Neumann meanwhile the "barons" are being really quiet except possibly you with your rude mouth... I don't know about anyone else but I've been quiet in this thread because I'm tired of all these pointless discussions in which the same old arguments have been tossed back and forth for years. Brazil once put together a collection of posts that went back to early 2005 in which this issues were hashed over again and again and only the names changed. I'm sorry we don't live in a socialist paradise where everyone gets a fair share of everything and the government is wise and generous and helps make everyone equal. Sadly we live in a capitalist world where everyone will fight tooth and nail for every penny they can. In this world if you can't afford to pay for something or you refuse to pay the price then you don't get it. It may not be pretty and it may not be perfect but it's all we've got.
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02-26-2007 02:13
From: Kathrine Wirtanen Must...Win....Auction....At....Any....Cost...Or.....Else....Will.....Lose.... Game....May....Have...To.....Get....A.....Real.....Job......
Anyway some Noob Smuck will pay double for it...........................
And yeah 16m is worth $200k, same block has been for 3 months anyway. Might put $90 Billion on my 2000m lot..................
It's worth what Lindens released it at, a Baron owning it for 6 hours hasn't made it 5 times more magical dirt.
Maybe one of them could buy a whole sim put a road in a circle around the edges and subdivide the rest into 16m plots and sell them for $100k each? I bet I put in in way way way more time handling my business aspect of sl here (60+ hours a week) than you do at your "real job" But assume away because we all know what assume means and your proving it so clearly here....
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