New continent 20 sims sale

hehe its like this people get to break an entirely new server now and make it catch on fire the old ones have already been repaired 20 times and caught on fire at least 5 times each so yeah its untreaded water er land err pixels what could be better?

It's up to 12.3 already for those keeping score.

I am a newbie and only been here one day........what the hell is a sim and explain most of this thread

A sim is a 512mx512m area of SL land that SL is made of all joined together, it is it's own hard drive too at Linden Labs. By owning an entire sime you get addidtional control over the land and it's features, Each sim has a limit on how many Avatars can be in there, and also how many prims (building blocks) can be used.

John: This thread is about the release of 20 sims and its' effect on the land market. You can take a class on land ownership in world, searth Events | Education or Discussion.

So .. having filtered through most of the speculation, opinion, namecalling and low-value commentary, it appears that all the new land is being auctioned as whole sims?

Meaning, LL now no longer sells small plots of land directly (apart from the occassional abandoned land)? If you want land, you have no option but to go through middle men?

Seems to me that LL is creating an economy by only releasing land to large investors, who, if they have money to invest, can make a profit simply because they have money to invest.

Is this really fair to all the folks who purchased premium accounts thinking they would be able to purchase first land? When did first land sales really terminate? Before February 20th? When's the last time anyone purchased first land. As an alternative model to selling large chunks to a few middlemen who make a profit dividing land up and selling it to the little guys, might it not be more democratic if LL only released small chunks of land so that everyone has a shot at consolidating ownerships and reselling larger lands at a profit?

Who sets the price on abandoned land? What's the price set by LL for abandoned land?

I don't mind purchasing from a middle man .. but im not going to do that anytime soon unless prices come down substantially. No sense purchasing small lots in a declining market when you can rent. Not that I would rent either. I don't like the idea of a 'game' that favors the rich. Its too much like real life.

If I do purchase from a middleman, they better add value to the land .. i.e. build roads, water access .. create open preserves.

I suppose us little guys can affect the market by NOT PURCHASING SHODDY LAND FROM RESELLERS WHO DON'T ADD VALUE TO THE LAND.

If your considering purchasing land, keep in mind, (1) before February 20th, premium members could purchase 512m for $512LD, (2) LL is making more land available at rate faster than, perhaps, ever seen before, and (3) individuals will be able to run their own Open Source SL Servers providing as much land as their servers can handle.

We may be entering a buyer's market. The market may become more favorable as time progressives. Six months from now, you may not be able to sell that 512 parcel you purchased for 8600 Linden at a profit.

You can help bring prices down by not purchasing land land now. Slow sales of large sims at action will invariably bring pressure on LL to release smaller chunks of land affordable by common folk. There's plenty you can do in the mean time .. build or configure your dream home at a sandbox so you have a better idea of what your land/prim requirements are .. learn how to script and make things you can sell so that when you do purchase land, you can finance it through your in world activities.

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Actually, the main difference between a class 5 and a class 4 is script performance, as stated in a blog posting by Ian Linden here

this is pretty much the way they have always done it they stated they were gonna release a bunch of sims and they have they did mention they would try to auction some smaller plots but the intent to release entire sims was stated and has been done. They resell them to people who will chop them up and resell them again or use them as a whole

in general a lot if not most sims are resold as pieces which is pretty much what this thread is about

this is nothing new what is going on here they stopped releasing large quantities of sims (forget why they were busy with something or other) the price rose and so now they are going back to releasing a pile in an effort to drive the price down

As usual with the whole sims auctioned any abandoned land etc they are auctioning off I never read anything mentioning that they were going to chop up entire sims and sell them off in little pieces

If you do look though they have in fact been auctioning sims divided up into smaller parcels on a couple of occassions and I think there is one in the present mess that has been somewhat subdivided. I dont know if I i would expect them to auction of entire sims of 512 land that would be pretty messy on the pages unfortunately you have to wait for someone to buy one and chop it up for you (land baron/middleman what ever you want to call it ..)

Also all that would happen with thos 512 is huge bidding wars hehe and they would go for the crazy prices that entire sims go at if not more but i think pages and pages of 512's would be a huge nightmare to manage

Also your preaching to the quire here that is what the "namecalling and low commentary" was about sorry to burst your bubble but this is how its alwys been done linden lab only ever auctions land like this and this is all they ever really will do

not buying willput pressure on resellers to lower their prices but not have much affect on linden labs actions other then to release sims as they do now

It was caused by a combination of the glut of orders for islands before the price of new islands and their tier went up in November, together with a general shortage of new hardware as they switched from class 4 to class 5 and the problems bringing the Texas facility reliably into service.

At one point in December, we had something like 4 new mainland sims released in a 2 week period, is it any surprise prices went up?

It's good to see that you accept it was a shortage of land which drove the prices up in the first place.

i do?

Yes:



They stopped releasing land, so the price rose. You said it yourself.

yes i said the price rose i didn't say the cause was linden labs stopping to release

and i know youwont agree but the rise in cost is due to umm over pricing hehe

there is simply too much land there was then and there is now end users are not buying it your busy selling to each other i would think

bottom line the prices are like that because barons set them at that not because of a shortage that never actualy really existed

it was perceptual and used an a reason to raise prices but it doesn't mean that it was the actual cause

price rose due to the fact that barons were selling to flippers who would try to sell it to the end user who would not buy it who would drop the price and then a baron would pick it up and hold onto it and then try to selll it cheaper and probably another flipper would come by

i know you dont believe me but i have watched it and seen it

so no the actualy cause was not Linden labs stopping to release the land it was an aritificial rise in prices at the time there was too much land and NOW and before linden labs released any land there was too much land your not selling much if any to end users just to each other hehe this is the funny part and i dont get how no one can see this

funny thing is everyone has been calling me crazy but I just peeered in to see this identical thread and identical conversation occuring on other forums

basically prices are being fixed intentional or not they are being fixed your not actualy selling the land to end users your selling to each other

one day its gonna collapse but collapse it will because the amount of land out there is far more then the actual users who will buy it

yes your making money but your nto selling it to actual buyers who are going to develop it those people can't afford it (that would be use folk who dont buy/sell land for a living)

a small fraction is actually being bought up and used and kept off the market most sims are half empty and for sale

the lack of sims released is simply a perceptvie one the population has not grown that significantly yes there are premium membesr who want land but they arent buying at those prices

they are renting or on private estates and have in many cases cancelled their accounts meanwhile we watch and wait till the price of a small piece of land hopefully goes to a reasonable rate. If it does we will buy if it does not we wont its simple

its really very simple and i'm sorry you dont understand but you simply dont

NO the lack of sims did not cause the price to go up LAND BARONS and FLIPPERS did because there was more land then people at the time but everyone wanted to make their fortuen so you are but not off of who you think you are

You quite clearly said exactly that.

If you have X amount of land for sale one month, and double that two months after, there's an oversupply of land, not a shortage.

Taking the growth of the population into account only highlights that, rather than take away as you would suggest: more people, more demand, less land available, right? There's double the land for sale in world there was 2 months ago. All those new people aren't buying, or aren't buying at any rate that comes close to supply.

No, you're talking in absolutes again, not relatively. There is the same amount of land per sale per person in SL.

Oh, Kitty. Where were you last night? I was practically giving Soulgiver away!

Yes, he was

A sim is 256 by 256.

You almost had it, Stephen. I saw your name in the bidding.

With regard to pricing, I don't think about how much money I can extort from poor unsuspecting noobs. Rather, I take my cost and build in a small profit margin. Hope you guys liked the bargain!

Yeah, I got the next one instead, and the webserver had a glitch while I was trying to bid on two others a few minutes later.

Still, bought quite a few recently, I might take the opportunity to have a few days off from it.

Fast asleep dreaming about catnip and lush meadows filled with mice to chase .

What did I miss? *confuzzled*

(And one "land baron" rated me yesterday so I guess you're not all that bad )

Wow Jackson!

That is an interesting post for a few reasons.
LL has not only been dared to see if they Can lower prices. Someone else said that they cannot lower prices significantly.

And now you just said that they will Never lower prices significantly. With the reasoning
being that they just cannot due to external forces.
Or that they will only do so to a certain amount 10 L per M due to a secret internal price point goal.

I wonder how LL would react to this post, haha.

Is this what you mean't to say or am I misunderstanding.

You would have to be crazy to assume that the Lindens could never bring prices down. What is at doubt is their willingness to do so, how aggressive they would be in doing so and how far they would want to bring them down.

It's happened before, and anybody who assumes it can't happen again is waiting to get hurt. The "this time it's different" argument has been used many, many times in the past and it's always been shown to be no different in the end.

For every new paradigm, there's countless Tulip manias & Dotcoms.

me thinks you need glasses because i have repeatedly said it was not due to the lack or release of sims it ws due to people raising the prices for no real reason as thre was no real shortage during that time but then again you are not reading those posts just arguing over whatyou "think" I said and not what i actually said

Supply and demand are real in my book.