New continent 20 sims sale

ah okay so you take it personally fine

someone said he hates the "land baron" bashing how they work hard for such small profit i guess you are one? if you are presently selling land now at the "so called artificially inflated going rate" you are selling it for more then its worth

I dont care you are i dont care about your name i care about the price tags this is not "personal" its a general complaint so when i see a post about jealousy to individuals who are buying the land or attempting to (i bid on the 1024 lots in an effort to not pay 16 cents or whatever per square meter) so take it how you wish if you take it personally fine

as i have said i live on private estate land so you guys imply whaty ou want your implying everyone is jealous i'm therefore turning it back aruond on you saying your using it as an excuse to justify unscrupulous business practice since your one who is saying you are doing it i can only assume you are if your not oh well they why reply in such a manner i dont care if your not doing it i care if you ARE doing it those who are not are not the ones pumping up the price

your personal affairs or personal issues are none of my business your name isn't either what is my business is what i see auctioned sims going off for and then want to buy a small plot for myself on mainland and can't afford it (see it costs to much real world money) that is my business because that is my concern

those quoting jealousy etc are busy using strong words with no real meaning as jealousy is an emotion

so the issue is not what you personally do its what's going on on the mainland right now if your not doing it great good for you if you are then you are part of the problem

rest of the post i can't be bothered to read it was rationalization of private actions not my concern or business really but thanks for posting it ^^


i read the first two sentences and saw the 747 jet flying over your head

Not speaking from a great deal of knowlege here, just as a player, but I have a hunch a lot of this points back to all those glowing articles about how Anshe Chung was the game's first millionaire, and that with the recent hype has drawn a swarm of speculators - mini barons - who are busily turning a modest amount of cash into a small amount of cash. Their greed and ignorance has driven prices up for everyone, including the major land dealers.

Prices aren't going to go down soon, and purely for psychological reasons. The biggest mistake most investors make is holding onto a dog long past the time they should have dumped it. Its going to take months, perhaps years for tier charges to bleed the wannabee speculators dry and in the mean time those who can are going to double down and buy more in an attempt to corner the market.

It's probably going to be two or three years, which is how long it'll take Microsoft or Google or ... someone ... to buy up and revamp a minor league competitor of Second Life and make that the hot new thing. They'll learn from Linden's bad experiences and we'll all be wondering why we put up with camping and trashy 16 meter plots ruining our homes. When that happens, the Lindens will end up paying a ton of colocation fees for sims which are 80% abandoned land. Not sure what's going to happen then, but people will be screaming for sure.

SL's going to fall by the wayside just like UseNet and Ultima Online lost out to web boards and WOW, and for pretty much the same reasons: inability to scale, new techology, and a libertarian philosophy that allows 3% of the population to trash things for everyone else.

Just more proof of why your so well respected and fair to people =) Thank You Holly

I would agree with Raymond several posts ago, people really need to stop slammng people that buy and sell land. I mean what is it exactly that you dont like? Is it the high prices? well land agents have to pay the high prices too, its not the land agents driving up the cost of land, atleast not to the magnatude that your thinking, its called supply and demand, if you want to blame someone then blame Linden Labs, as they are wholely and solely responsible for the direction the market takes, not land agents, not a few crybaby people that are refusing to buy land.
Here is and example at how hard a land agent really works and just how little they make, day before yesterday I bought a 11000 meter plot for 170k broke it up into 1024s and sold it in total for 175k. I risked 170k just to earn myself 5k, all the while dumbshitz like several posters here are complaining about how evil land agents are. when the fact is, you know nada about market, market prices, swings in market, risky investment, and most importantly you KNOW NOTHING about having to risk 300 USD just to earn 20 USD.

I hear you can still get into World of wussiecraft

Oh how I love how this forum has turned into the General forum. Too bad for the people who posted questions at the start of it, which a few Lindens thought they were general discussion, and those posters were banned from the forums. I love LL's unbalanced policy enforcement!

I would rather have Anshe charging me 22k for a 4096 sqm like it USE to be,77k+ for a 4096 is down right stupid.
Like many of you,I'm hopeful land will come down or atleast settle at a stable and fair price for us all.After all many of us dont have the extra cash to throw out

Nope. I'm not selling land...LL has shown me too many reasons to stop investing in their product, so I guess I'm not part of the problem. I didn't understand the rest of your post. But no worries. Sorry for the personal rebuttal.

One last thing to consider: Maybe the fact that there are now over 4 million residents and 34k concurrently online now has something to do with the higher prices. Some obscure law I learned once regarding supply and demand.

hehe that's not an accurate figure most people know this already divide by 4 and possibly you might have the true figure that is the amount of sign ups not the actual people who play plus there are alts involved in this

Ok, but 34k concurrent versus a 3k peak when I joined last May. No fudging that one.

unfortunately all they are doing is forcing people off the mainland grid it is a game to a lot of players the average player is not going to spend hundrends of dollars for a play space or even 50 its unbalanced.

I consider myself average yes I do make some money i tend however to put it back into SL not make a living from it. I have a budget for my real life entertainment like many people we dont tend to go over the budget often

The prices are made for people with a lot of money this is fine but then i see complaints about the large corporations buying it. Well they are the only ones who would consider spending 2000 bucks on simulated land to be petty cash. Also one must consider that there are many people living in countries were the american dollar is worth more then their dollar the only place this is reversed pretty much is in the uk so they are the only ones that will find this stuff cheap the rest of us living outside those areas are going to find those expenses crippling

nope that's accurate but half of those are freebies who never intend to spend any money on land plus there are the ever present campers who may spend money on stuff but likely not land if they camp for land they gonna be at it for years hehe

lastly factor in that a lot are not native english speaking and who likely buy their land or rent it from people like anshe chung who cater to non english speaking communities and at a better price

If you sell that land at any price, it means that someone thought that the value on the land was a good value for them. You also see it in the RL housing market. It takes a seller and a buyer to agree on a price to sell anything in this world. Values can rise and fall depending on the market.

Just a question for you, what is land worth?

Someone earlier mentioned this but i feel it needs reiterating. Land is so expensive because these dealers fight tooth and nail at auction for these sims driving up the prices and severly cutting into their profit margins instead of just walking away from a bad deal. It is actually really silly now that I think about it. I see there are 50 spaces assigned for more sims on the map. Hopefully instead of 40, they will drop 50 on the auction block this time.

sls land is worth not much i would not consider paying more then 6k or so for 512 and even that is too much but its a bit more obtainable for the average person

also there are all kinds of things in real world that have no influence i never compare real world to this platform its folley (sl's economy is only a half economy with no real regulation or anything the minute people start trying to compare this to the real world market forces it makes me giggle)

there are no real jobs in sl only what we bring in
no governement or taxes of any kind no land taxes nothing
no sales tax only what is imposed when people convert the fake moneyinto real money or visa versa (linden labs share)
no zoning
no hi profile or low profile areas
no bad neighbourhoods or good ones no real price difference
water is nothing at the blink of an eye someone can move you
space is nothing it can change over night at the whim of a linden lab employee errecting 50 servers to create an entire new continent
the onlything that is real here is bandwidth and pixels which we pay for in tier and as a premium member the rest is made up..
the prices are what people set them at and nothing more



its a fake economy with very few market forces at work therefore there is no comparison if there were things would be much more different this is occuring due to lack of "real world" type forces not because they are there

that was me lol


i have never seen auctions like that auctions are for fine art or wholesale prices not so you can buy at market price its nuts its like they cant stop themselves and want to win a bidding war at any cost

Hmm... I see.

Just a few things to point out. First, government and taxes are not needed for an economy. Those are just part of the economy. Zoning does exist in SL. There are mainland sims that have move value to them. There are sims that have a terraforming limit of 40 meters from the set point. Most sims have a 4 meter. The zoned sims like boardman are also worth more. As for good land verse bad land. That exists too. I would rather buy land in a sim that does not have many 16sqm plots all with spinny floating noisey signs.

Neighborhoods do exists also. There is Anshe's land, LL land, etc. There are jobs in SL too. They may not seem like it to you, but they do exist. People get paid to build, script, design, and make items for others. Those are all jobs in SL. Items in the world (not just land) are bought and sold on a free market. Land is bought and sold on the free market also. If prices are just what people set them to, why doesn't everyone just sell the land at 20l/m, or 50l/m, or 100l/m? Because the market won't let them. SL has a true economy in it. The market forces forced land from the 20l/m mark to the 2.5l/m mark before, and they could do it again.

your leaving out the part that its a game and its all perceptual and goes according to people's real world pocket book and people are trying to cater to only one type of buyer

no its not proper market force presently the prices appear to be fixed big time price fixing in the real world is illegal in many places..


its not real its perceptual some guy decided to lay out 1600 usd for 7k of fake land the other day because he could afford it in real world and it was nothing to him. People are not taking into accound that the people at the steering wheel are in fact linden lab not you and not me and not the land barons its all Linden labs. I have yet to see God come down and start making new land in the real world the land is as it it no more can be created its exists and is stagnant and the days of exploration are long over so unless we start selling mars as new real estate its all "used" in that someone somewhere has already owned it once

this is not the case here

someone made it and the original value was set by linden lab at 0.1 (it used to be 0)

so in fact land here has no intrisic value whatso ever .. unlike the real world where someone somewhere owns it because it was discovered long ago in the days of exploration and christopher columbus

q.e.d.

It's quite similar to RL... A person buys a Rolex for 10k. This is less accurate than my quartz Seiko and far less accurate than an atomic clock based watched -- both of which will set you back about 9700+ usd less.

Your house probably cost no more than 100k in supplies to make, yet it sells for 500k... Ultimately it's worth what someone will pay for it and as long as there are other people that are willing to pay what you did, what's the risk?

If you buy a Rolex, you know that when you're tired of it you can always resell it on ebay for usually around 80-90% of what you paid for it. So in the end, owning a Rolex isn't all that much more expensive than a Seiko provided you intend on reselling it at some point. I've found that many regular players approach land the same way. Sure, it's alot of money to buy that 8k plot for 450usd to put your business on. But, in the end, what's the big deal if you know you can turn around and resell that plot back for all (or most) of what you paid for it?

I would argue the point about it being a game. If it is a game, what are the goals?

When you say "land here has no intrisic value whatso ever" I would ask where anyone would disagree with that statement. Stocks have no intrinsic value either. People buy and sell them all the time.

You also say "presently the prices appear to be fixed." Is there anything to back that up? Prices have been falling as of late. Now the cheap land is about 13.7l/sqm. A week ago it was 14.1. If land keeps being released, or demand decreased, then we will see a continuous drop in price. If I wanted to, I could sell my land at any price I wanted. I could even sell it in a way that I would be sure that a land baron wouldn't get it.

Oh, and as for making new land in this world, http://guide.theemiratesnetwork.com/living/dubai/the_palm_islands.php
and a more general http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reclamation#Creating_new_land

yes a small percentage argue its not a game unfortunately if it were not a game then it would likely be as barren as virtual worlds. Not everyone signs up to make money. As for the type of game its called a "sanbox" game and there are a lot of them.


sandbox games I have some personal umm "experience" with
ATiTD
Sims Online
Second Life
Lineage 2
mixed games with a huge sandbox element
SWG

the difference is the interface this one is more "techy"

What i see occuring on the auctions is simple they appear to be missing the wholesale thing and going straight for market value right off the bat otherwise the 3k sims would have sold for less like about 2k so they are marked up at auction instead of after

this does not follow "real world" rules where undiscovered land is given away or sold very cheaply and then gets marked up after this is my point if it were to follow your real world model the prices we see now would be after 2 or 3 sellings not right off the starting block

the land is supposedly "Undeveloped' unzoned etc" its blank no roads realy LInden lab just left holes for roads

tell me how this follows your real world rule set it does not ..

if it did the prices for new land would be about half of what they are at least but they are not somehow people have managed to make it so that new totally untouched and undveloped "land" is worth as much as the rest if not more

i mean really it make no sense what so ever in fact those sims will be hell for a long while as people live on little tiny plots and buy sell and whatnot it will be total chaos unlike older sims with a lower density of owners per square meter which in some cases can be very nice

we are seeing the "settlers" being overcharged to develop undeveloped land

the other rule which is not followed according to your market book is that supposedly developed land would sell for more which in fact it does not if i build a house and landscape the land I cannot sell it for more then land with no feature to it people press delete

i'm sorry but the perception is warped from the starting block
strating with the auction purchase of wholesale undeveloped for inflated amounts of money to be sold to for the first time upon presentation into this world at "market" rates which are the same as a 4 year old chunk of land?

sorry it should be less far less but its not why? because the prices are being made artificially high by over bidding and over pricing

edited afterwards: sandbox games have no goals other then personal goals set by the player. They have no rulesets they are just that sandboxes where you can do whatever you desire or do nothing. (something remarkably like the definition of second life)

wow they are adding even more sims to auction right now.

Yep and they are still going for $3000.

Elmaer (128,12 Mature 65536m US$2901.00 Feb-25-07
Farstone (128,12 PG 65536m US$2737.00 Feb-25-07
Zimmer (128,12 Mature 65536m US$3402.00 Feb-25-07
Belgarath (128,12 PG 65536m US$2735.00 Feb-25-07
Bowstring (128,12 Mature 65536m US$3522.00 Feb-25-07
Shoremel (128,12 Mature 61440m US$3600.00 Feb-25-07
Sialimonus (128,12 Mature 65536m US$2900.00 Feb-25-07
Glinda (128,12 Mature 65536m US$2902.00 Feb-25-07


not sure about that some are and some are not the 3.6k one is pretty funny and the 3.5k one the rest are definatly under 3k and falling


one in the for 2.7k ish

If they keep going at this rate maybe I'll have my very own sim by the end of the week.

Remember, though, when watching the auction prices, sims with waterfront do tend to go for more $.

Wilhelm, I understand what you are saying, but what you don't ever mention is that these prices would not be as high as they are if other people weren't buying and keeping the land at some point. These people can bid the price they are because they can sell it to others. Simple supply and demand. You can get through economy 101 without knowing that. Land in SL is not the same as land in RL. I don't understand why you are so hung up on that point. Sims online and There would be the two closest things to SL that I know of. SWG and Lineage 2 are games. You have the goal of leveling up. You are fighting monsters, collecting things, selling them for more things, and then you repeat. SWG, same thing.

What you also are missing is that all sims go to auction for $1000. People then bid up to whatever price they want. They are not being overcharged, they are choosing to pay what they want for the sim.