Age verification

Why would you do that? Your island owner will not be getting identity verified, so he's hardly going to tick the adult content box and ban himself from his own estate. You'll still be able to live there if you don't get your identity verified.

Apart from nitpicking (NIN/SSN same difference) whats your point here ?



Fair enough that point hadn't even entered into my mind. I'm big enough to admit when I'm in error. But in corecting my mistake you only serve to further prove my point. This whole proposal is unworkable.


The electorial roll is not a definitive list of all the countries residents, I am not on the electoral roll and have not been since the poll tax debacal. In the last general election only 53% of the electorate voted (based on exit polls) (63% acording to government figures). There are no acurate figures reguarding those eligable to vote but who are not regestered. None of my friends are regestered to vote and I have lots of friends. So it's far from usable as an acurate means of confirming identity.

I agree, I have no problem with verifying our ages. I too don't trust the motives behind this scheme.

i'm not nit-picking Lucy. you were making a lot of points about the national insurance card that were simply not true. i thought it important to point these out in case somebody used them to formulate more reasons for not verifying (as is happening all over these forums right now).
Only if Integrity intend to verify UK users with the NIN card and I see no suggestion of that.
erm, then you are breaking the law and liable to a £1,000 UKP fine.
irrelevant. you and your friends should be on the electoral roll by law. if the electoral roll is used to match identity details, you can hardly throw your arms up in the air and say "OMG that's so unfair to people who break the law!" TBH, I'm surprised you can even get credit or a bank account if you're not on the electoral roll, because it is a requirement and easily confirmed by credit reference agencies like Equifax and Experian.

this spot between the rock and the hard place really ain't nice is it?
the things we consider doing for this company.

Indeed, but it seems increasingly to be a one way relationship.

Check your facts it is NOT an offence to not regester to vote in the UK.

In order to become a premium member most of us used a Credit Card (I'm Told) tht on Porn sites that is all it take to prove one is over 18 Couldn't the Lindens accept the fact I have paid for my activites with a Credit card proof of being over the age of Majority

Again we have the US second guessing how other nationalities prove age.... if you don't drive, travel or work you dont necessarily have ID acceptable to Linden....

A CREDIT CARD is proof of over 18 and if the problem is little Johnny getting hold of Dad's to surf SL then they can just as easily get hold of passport/drivers license info..... short of a DNA test/face to face verification nothing is fool proof.

How many have paid up front for a year and now possibly face not accessing their own land/businesses because a credit card isn't enough?

MSN tried this on groups and came unstuck and that was just CC verification.

Linden MUST think again and decide a credit card is enough proof and frankly if a kid is cute enough to get around the system then they already have a mature mind plus its up to parents to check their computer use and net nanny whatever SL.

Stop free accounts maybe to remove kids but then the user base will be decimated too....not everyone has credit cards either....

It most certainly is!

http://www.lewes.gov.uk/council/450.asp
http://www.rushcliffe.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=8327
http://www.rutland.gov.uk/pp/service/detail.asp?id=2459
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_register
The fabian society document you've cited just points out that voting is not compulsory in the UK. Voting and Registering to Vote are entirely different things.

unfortunately Lochinvar, VISA have explicitly stated that their credit card is no guarantee of the cardholder being 18 or over. so regardless of what measures other sites take, it credit card registration doesn't prove a person is over the age of majority.

See here.

Again fair enough I look forward to my day in court, strange how it hasen't prevented me from getting credit considering I have never been regestered to vote.

see my post above which explains why a credit card is not proof of majority. the difference with Integrity is that they insure Linden Lab against legal action should an underage user slip through the net. so in essence, it doesn't matter that the system's not fool-proof, just as long as LL's back is covered.
you will still be able to access your own land, provided you don't enable the 'adult content' properties box.

it's a fair point. when i joined last year, SL was approaching it's 3rd birthday and there were approx. 140,000 members and people were like OMFG when concurrency hit 8,000. one month later CC identity verification was dropped, and within a year six million sign-ups occurred and the concurrency record is into the 40,000s. i wonder if we'll see sign-ups drop significantly once this is implemented.

I'd love to see the percentge of the 6,000,000 advertised residents that actually do log on a regular basis.

it's funny you mentioned the poll tax above because I turned 18 the year that was introduced (bad luck or what?) and i avoided registering back then too. i didn't pay on principle and being a student (changing address every few months and going home during the holidays) it was easy to avoid. they eventually tracked me down and i had my day in court. the swines.

It's better that ten children run free on the adult grid then one innocent adult get forced to leave.

Yes it sure does -

However thats not what I was asking in my question.

Currently - for Business purposes you can adjust you Mature Parcel to show up on PG searches by unchecking the MATURE flag.

This is a recent change- in response to a previous issue. If you are flagged on the "Show Places" Tag - and Unflagged on the "Mature" Flag you have to abide by PG guidelines on your Mature land.

If there is no new flag coming that means any business that doesnt want to flag adult - will HAVE to be PG on their Mature land.

Ive read her posts, over and , over and Dan's Ive asked directly - this part has not yet been answered.

She doesnt mention the current flag.

At all

even when I asked about it.

Hopefully she will.

Am I the only one that doesn't believe in them? In comes the FBI to look over the casino operations...suddenly, Linden disavows the casinos and vows to block casino advertising...and just as suddenly, Linden wants to know WHO WE ARE? If I were anyone of US citizenship running a SL casino, I would SO be shutting down that casino, selling off my gambling machines and going into the flexi clothing business!!! Difficult to prove the credit card activating the SL avatar is actually the person using the card or the SL account, but the moment you TELL them that, yes, your account is you...well, not hard to connect the dots then, is it?

Next step in the process will be making any lot that contains a gambling machine of any kind mandatory "Adult", you wait and see...

So under the new system, a minor who has signed up as an 18+ can go to a non-"Adult" place, say a beach, club, whatever.
There they meet someone who is an adult or is another minor pretending to be an adult.
They then head off to the seclusion of some build in non-"Adult" SL and there together or in a group get involved in the the most extreme sexual activity that the interface can offer.
This activity will not contravene the TOS in any way as long as it not carried out in a public place.

Question: What effort will LL have made to "to ensure minors are not involved in this inappropriate activity"?
Answer: None! Other than asking them if they are 18+ when they signed up as unverified


What LL are planning to do in this area must expose them up to legal action because
1. LL are knowingly allowing minors to come into SL and purport to be 18+
2. LL are allowing these minors to interact with adults, some of which adults will think nothing wrong in engaging in pixellated action and chat with people they assume are fellow adults.
3. LL are facilitating the exposure of minors to adults in an inappropriate environment (i.e. one in which the minor is believed to be an adult by others) The rating of an area has nothing to do with this.
4. LL are not making "every effort..." "Every effort" realistically means "every effort" to keep under 18's off the entire non-Teen grid. Period!


Predators:
By definition, there are no predators (in the sense of adults preying on minors) except on the Teen grid.


This is a really bad plan that LL have dreamt up.
1. It will not achieve the stated purpose
2. It will actually expose you further - for the simple logical reasons stated above.

The whole plan is predicated on the knowledge that minors are on the grid. That is the sole justification for the plan. Any plan that does not primarily involve removing those minors from the grid is doomed to failure.

For this plan to work, it will be necessary for all residents, while in a non-"Adult" area to abstain from all social contact that might lead to sexual activity of any sort.
OK! Quiet at the back! Stop that laughing now!

Exactly. This is one of the biggest problems, this new verification will block of sections of the SL world that ALL residents are supposed to be able to visit as required by the age restriction of the system.
If this new verification is being implemented it should therefore be a requirement for ALL users to do this at sign-up. That's why we didn't have open registrations sooner. When I joined (and when a great many now premium users joined) SL required that EVERYONE provided a credit-cart, or credit-card back PayPal account as age verification, even though Basic accounts at the time were free (until then all Basics cost some initial fee).
When unverifieds were allowed in that just crapped all over the whole thing, what had been a someways age-restricted system until then was suddenly a free-for-all that anyone could get into.
This makes what they're doing strange, who are they trying to stop? Kids who are already in the system? Surely the issue is getting them OUT of the system and preventing them from getting in in the first-place. Add the extra verification options at sign up and let us pick which one we use, and then require verification for EVERYONE again.

Here's my story, short and sweet. Bascially I got tired watching the IDIOT BOX during the work week. I'm mid age and just recently discovered the wonderful world of the internet. Instead of watching the crap on TV and being bombarded with commercials every 5-6 minutes, I find the internet is where you have more control to entertine yourself anyway you want. And when I found out about SL, I figured I'll try it out. Not only did I find a great form of entertinement, but to be able to interact (instead of just watching), makes this site that much more fun (it's been a while since I been to bed 2'oclock in the morning during the work week). Well any way I'm all most a month old now and I feel I'm ready to up grade. For one thing I don't want to be labeled a Griefer, and I would like to own some land and start a buisness and be a countributing part of this world. But now I'm going to put my plans on hold to see whats going to happen with this verification system. Like I said at the begining I'v only been on line about a year now. I'v used my credit card only 3 times since and I'm getting PHISHING E MAILS almost weekly. They even know my bank and I never even put that info online (scary right) Well I ain't giveing up my SS# to know one not even the last 4. I thought that this might be a good investment to get into but not if It's going to be a risk on my real life. I really hope They (the Lindens) figure a better way, otherwise I'll just go and learn some multiplayer games to be entertined that all you need to do is by the software to get in no questions asked.

You say you have to do all you can do?
What about parental control?
place this problem in the hands of the Parents by place some type of Parental control device into the Interface for Parents to lock out their underage children.

This is an Ilegal forceful collection of our Money and our Information.

STOP YOU F***ING LIEING

They don't really. Phishing schemes just target EVERYONE in the hopes of getting it right, I've received spoof e-mails for all kinds of places I don't use, and then of course they send them out for places like PayPal and eBay which are dead popular.

this is so only going to be a pain for aduilt and will probly only get rid of aduilts.... put back having to give your cc or optional paypal acuot....

Little jony going to have the eases time with this if he sneeking the critit card from his parntes he wont have any trouble getting the other info.... and little jony not going to care about giving this info to SL only the aduilt are going to care cause we no the danger of giving it out.

there need to be parntel controles but not this.... true parnts are going to sooner or later wise up and see there kid on her why not just give parnts a means to controle what there kid see on site. With out effecting the rest of us... hell some aduilt may want to turn on this child perotect cause they don't want to stuble into adult stuff.

These aduilt parntel controles should be a option not force on every one.... not some age verfication that vilate people rights.