Age verification

If this goes as they plan, they will kill off 60% of the users. Smart..........because they don`t want us anymore and other want business coming in. We all saw this coming.


Usagi

Bullshit... Pure and Simple....

A 3rd Party?....

PPPAAALEEESSEE!!

You can't program your way out the end of an elbow noodle....
and now you think I should "trust" your 3rd Party???

Why should we think any of you Linden's have anything else in mind but lining your own pockets with some more cash...

I won't be giving-up any such info...

What I have already provided is sufficient in any form of transaction ( Bank, Court, Immigration, etc.,,,,etc.)...

For the record...( as If this isn't good enough).....age verification is YOUR PROBLEM..
Don't even bother trying to tell me it's MINE, ''and for a fee'' we can fix it....BULLSHIT

I have already given you all the info I intend to (CC)... and when you limit my account because I won't give more....

I WILL see your sorry asses in Court...US DISTRICT...if you need directions....



I'll give you my info...

WHEN YOU CAN PROVE TO ME YOU HAVE MORE THAN SHIT-FOR-BRAINS.


Have a nice day....

What's with the language in the forums today? Is it school vacation or something?

Actually I think it's the opposite, MANY CITIZENS DON'T CARE ABOUT PROTECTING KIDS
Any system they try and introduce to verify people is met with hostility and "I can't get verified" or "I have the right not to be verified!" bullcrap.
Credit cards has been the best the whole porn industry can do, like to see how LIndens can do better.
Yeah credit card verification doesn't stop all griefers or kids, but then it doesn't stop them in RL porn industry either is that any reason to remove all internet age verification?
Door locks on cars don't stop all theives or kids either so perhaps we should give up fitting them to cars or using them?

That's like saying if a kid is old enough to get the car keys open the door & slip them in the ignition he's old enough to drive.

How about: the company who provides you with a service and who has every right to demand in exchange for that service the age and identity verification of their choice, by a third party of their choice?

Playing SL is not a birthright you know. You simply have a legal agreement with LL. They are entitled to change the conditions, and you are entitled to cancel your account if you don't like the new conditions.

I for one am thrilled to finally see some better measures being taken to keep out minors (and by the way, to greatly reduce the liability of anyone engaging in adult activities!). I will be sending them a copy of my drivers licence asap.

First they want a credit card next my name and address, and then the last 4 of my SSAN, just to play a game? And then they want to CHARGE me for the privilege?

Does anyone believe that the info won't be stored SOMEwhere? And once it's stored, it can, and probably will, be hacked!

Why are those of us that comply with everything constantly asked to do more? As much as I hate the kids and the griefers, I am loathe to provide MY personal info, and pay to do it. Especially given how well things are working now, I have no confidence in the Lindens' ability to keep this info safe, or to select someone I've never heard of to do it for them!

This is just another thing to add to the mix rather than fixing the stuff that's out there not working... <friends list, TP failures, lag issues, etc>.

All that being said, I have too many friends here to abandon this "game", even if I have to put myself at further risk of identity theft, hell, using paypal to join this game has cost my best friend and Identity theft issue, why wouldn't the Lindens want in on that action!

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OMG $10US is soo expensive to access internet porn.....................
(Understandable I suppose if you are trying to run SL on a 650 P1 using diallup)

I wonder how much money LL would lose if people figured out that google image search will get you real porn for free.

I posted this in blog now I post it here with additional comments/corrections to my post

Buying lindens with my cc should have been enough verification. No way in HELL will I give out my SSN for this game. I’ve already dealt with identity theft in real life. A lot of my friends said they won’t do this either.
Also as regarding the different charges for verification.. Why should we be charged at all? You want to do this YOU pay for it. I am all for keeping teens off the grid but this process is just flawed. Why should basic and prem be charged diff fees for same service of verification? Again why should we pay at all?...

Even if we don't give full SSN then I have to ask what is the point of asking for last 4 of ssn? How will they even know we're giving correct 4 without the first part? Also even if its a small charge like I'm reading now.. Why should we pay at all? Those who have use credit cards on here should ALREADY be verified with no further verification.

Originally Posted by greedy linden
With respect to fees:
#14: Premium Residents will access the verification system for a nominal fee (less than L$10) as part of their subscription. Basic users will be charged a larger fee to verify their age, can upgrade to Premium to access the system, or simply decline to verify their age and continue enjoying the areas of Second Life that don’t contain adult content.


OK this is understandable for accts that were free to begin with I suppose however, those of us that are old enough to have had to pay the 10 bucks to keep your acct or even that have at one time held premium accts should be excluded from this. In actuality, Linden labs needs to place this restriction on new acct creation and leave the rest of us alone. In addition in response to some posters commenting that if you want to be verified means you want access to porn is ridiculous if I am reading this correctly if you want access to anything that is marked mature you will have to be verified including stores that sell regular clothing but happen to have a few risque items as well. This is not being handled well at all LL please rethink

I think I disagree with this age verification policy.

#1. Identity theft is a BIG deal these days. The fewer times I have to give out personal info, the better.

#2. I also agree with others in that I already gave my Credit Card Number when I signed up for Premium. Why do I have to do anything again? The original method was fine as is.

#3. NOT verifying youself is like saying, HEY! I'll stay in the 10m plot of land forever!! How far can you journey across the landscape without seeing adult content??? NOT FAR!!

#4. The only way I'd feel comfortable with any of the verification requirements is if it were through a VERY reputable, well known, secure Company. Which is also tough to find.

#5. I can already see this limiting the growth of SL due to the fears of Identity Theft. People are already paranoid giving out a Credit Card Number for an online "service" such as SL, so why make it worse??

I think that refers to the blog post about making RL information available to other residents.

You can "opt-in" to have your age verified for LL and then "opt-in" to reveal real life details such as location to any random resident.

This is my point refering too

WTF! LL want personal details which, they say will not be stored on a computer database. If that is indeed the case how then will they know who has been aged verified and who has not? Oh forgive my simplistic brain cells here people. They only need the info once then no doubt they will add those names to a dtatbase that have been verified? The major flaw with this is that a) they are asking for personal information via passports, driving license etc. They do not need this information. They already hold credit card details of aLL PREMIUM members and that in itself should suffice. If they want to make SL an adult site then I would suggest they do what all other ADULT website do and introduce secure login.

Get a life LL. This pathetic attempt to extort yet more money from your subscribers is laughable in the extreme. You cannot even maNAGE TO KEEP PEOPLES INVENTORIES secure so how in the hell do you expect to keep confidential information secure? Put simply, your not.

We are talking about a god-damned game here. If i want to enter an Adult website, I do not have to give such information to them so I sure as hell am not going to furnish LL with that information. ABSURD. No other word for it. And before any of you start to go on about well" we have no problem with givibng information" bull, let me just say, neither do I, but lets keep this in context here. There is absolutely no reason why any GAME should require more personal data on its players than the Adult Industry requires to enter their sites.

Personally I have heard enough bullshit come from LL to last me a lifetime. Remember one thing Lindins.... The Data Protection ACT IS IN FORCE TO PROTECT THE CONSUMER. I for one will not subscribe to such nonsence and personally I hope the whole ship sinks with the lot of you on board.

Well at the end of the day, there is not one system on this planet that is 100% secure. If they can compromiswe NORAD, then Im damn well sure they will be able to get into anything that LL attempts to secure.

Next thing..... BLOOD TESTS? I have bought land and pay for that land on a monthly basis. I will not be kept off that land for any reason. If i am blocked from my personal holdings then Legally I am entitled to sue Linden Labs for scaming the general public.

Age/Identity verifcation ?

FOR SALE
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1 business (with stock, as going concern)
17K item inventry

any takers ?


/me bites tounge ...... I'd rather pay my money to Microsoft.

This entire idea is counter-intuitive and absolutely defeats the purpose of SL's age-restriction.

This system is saying: "You have to prove you're 18 to access adult content, but as long as you're not looking at adult content it's okay if you're under 18." *buzzer* WRONG! Second Life is and always should be exclusively for users 18 or older. This new policy is essentially forcing adults (the people who belong in SL) to PAY (I don't care how small the fee is) to access the content we should automatically have access to just for being adults, while kids can still float around the main grid and grief while getting off scot-free. The entire grid isn't going to be thoroughly flagged appropriately, and nothing can stop kids from adding their own sex animations or uploading their own porn. Essentially, and we can all see this, there will be nothing but chaos ensuing from the implementation of this policy, and the entire purpose will be forgotten as a large majority of adult players will suffer while kids will fail to be "protected" from anything. Honestly, kids will still be able to coax their parents into supplying parental info for them, and just the plain fact that it's even possible makes the system useless.

This system is also saying: "We finally realize that removing credit card verification was a stupid idea, so now we're going to impose a solution to clean up our mess that's going to disable content for users who don't pay us [more] and supply delicate personal information to prove their identity." Notice how this also breaks the idea that basic accounts are free.

My one big concern is that what's being imposed is a restriction and yet we have to pay to prove our adulthood; this is backwards. If LL is expecting full user participation in making the grid "safer" for minors, then why are we being penalized with a fee (not to mention landowner hassles) for proving our age? That's not to say that we should be rewarded for proving that we are, in fact, over 18; simply being able to sign up for SL is supposed to be assurance of our age (whoops LL, lol). Obviously I understand that LL has to pay to affiliate with a third party, but this is their idea that they're forcing on us, so we shouldn't be held responsible for paying it off (because the millions of dollars they get from land owners just isn't enough).

I'm not against the idea of sweeping through the grid and marking adult content as adult (even apart from kids, there are adults that might not want to see it; maybe I'll suggest a "show adult content" toggle for those of us who have proven our age), but that's part of what SL is and why it has an age restriction in the first place, and we shouldn't be cut off from that because of LL's past mistakes.

I have so much more I'd love to vent about on this topic, but I don't want to sound too demeaning. I think LL means well, and the people who are saying it's "just another means for them to make money" are paranoid, but hell if this isn't a really hasty solution to a problem that will never really be fixed. The fact that LL is ready to implement it soon is also distressing; this is a major change that needs massive amounts of discussion and probably another Town Hall or two before they even think about seriously implementing it. I'd suggest just reinstating the old verification system and disabling adult content access to unverifieds permanently. No doubt everyone should be entitled to a say in this, and the Lindens should definitely pay close attention to every single one of us before going about such a drastic change.

In the meantime, whoo sculpties!

and at least Microsoft appreciates the risks involved..

Personally, I'm furious about this. They want what? My DL # and the last four digits of my SS#?!?! And they want to charge me to verify my age?

Hey LL? I'm just an ignorant Georgia girl, but even I know a better way to handle this. Simply put as part of the billing on CCs, that the charge is for a mature content site. Any kid using their parents CC is then placed within the responsibility they belong. Their parents.

Why should I have to put myself at risk, because some parents are not doing their job? Why am I being asked to prove that I am of age when you already have enough info to safely say I am an adult, by having my CC on file?

And towards the end of keeping kids out, why not provide a couple weeks of SL as a trial, and then requiring either CC or PayPal info to continue with SL? Even if someone is a free member, requiring CC or PayPal info should be enough legal requirement to keep your a** out of the sling, along with them affirming their age.

I'm sorely tempted to quit SL over this. I'm torn between the fact that I gain a lot of value from SL, and the whittling away of my personal security because parents are not doing their job, and LL's fears of being sued by some nitwit parent who was too lazy to do their job.

I don't know what I will do if this goes through. The lack of respect being shown towards me by LL is an insult. I'm a damned Grandmother, and no one wants to see kids protected more than I do. But sacrificing my security because of poor parenting should not be my onus.

Personally, I think LL ought to start prosecuting parents who by dint of their abuse to their children, do not supervise their children and allow them to run amok in SL. Those parents are stealing LL resources by letting their kids run the grid to the ground.

Okay, now I'm just ranting needlessly, sorry.

Seroius. Put on the CC bill that the charge is for a mature content site. Continue to require affirmation that the new resident is over 18. Then you have done all you can be expected to. The rest is a parents job, not yours or mine.

And keep your fingers out of my personal data.

SSN is a good idea except for all of us not in the USA... living in Norway I wonder how they are going to verify my age...

On a mostly unrelated note... does anyone know how i can translate all my lindens back into money I can get out of the system and end my account?

I will not provide a scan of my passport to ANYONE, and I seriously wonder what the U.S. State Department would have to say about a U.S. company that would require people to do so when they've been warn heavily against just this sort of thing.

"Playing SL is not a birthright you know. You simply have a legal agreement with LL. They are entitled to change the conditions, and you are entitled to cancel your account if you don't like the new conditions"

And we are advising you and LL that we are going to do just that if this goes in. We have every right to warn them we will not continue our side of this "contract" under these new terms.

How can you say "SSN is a good idea" if you don't even live here or understand the point? SSN is anything but a good idea. Read the knowledge base about LindeX for your unrelated question.

I completely agree with #42. But what I don't understand, is that the main grid is only for adults, my sim is flagged already mature. Why should I put then another flag adult? So over 3000 sims have to change their flag?

SL already holds my credit card info for the concierge service, they are not able to send me a standard business invoice for an isle, but on the other hand want me to send personal information to a company that isn't even subject to my country's data protection laws and not subject to my contract with LL for the service. WTF should this be? I will never pass personal information to a third company that is not even residing in my own country. Does anybody know how they will treat your information? I'm not an u.s. citizen so I won't pass over my infos to a u.s. company, because I can't even complain or control how they treat this data.