Ulrika Declared a Terrorist in N'burg

I dunno, this is actually more or less what I figured was going to happen when this whole thing started. I'm slightly surprised it took so long, though - I thought I was going to be proven wrong when you 'quit', but I gotta thank you for comming back long enough to validate my theories.

Please remember that this is only your opinion, that you "used the term in jest." Clearly the other party in the debate (quoted in your own post), has the opposite opinion. As do many people veiwing this thread judging by their comments.

Also your assertion that the other person was literally lebelling you a terrorist is not the way they describe their own actions. So its still completely open as to what the actual truth of the matter is.

It's also worth considering that whatever the truth is here it can only be one way or another. If the second party is responding in kind and by analogy to your original statement, and you describe your original statement as "a jest," then perhaps the response was also a jest. If the second parties response to you was a serious assertion of terorist behaviour, then it seems logical that she might be responding to what she believed was a serious comment in your initial post.

All very interesting, and very cool that Neualtenburg has a court system to work it all out.

Whatever the outcome of the hearing, I would personally appreciate it as a sitting and voting member of a Neualtenburg governing body (the Scientific Council), if you would refrain from making the constant inflamatory remarks about "being labelled a terrorist by the Government of Neualtenburg."

I notice lately you have backed off a bit and use the term "by a government official" (instead of by the government), but try to do this 100% of the time instead of just 80 or 90 percent of the time.

The "Government of Neualtenburg" has never labelled you as a terrorist and it is innapropriate of you to keep saying that it has.

One person has used the term terrorist to describe your actions in deleting posts on this forum only AFAIK.

*looks around*

Someone back on page 1 said there was pie here?

/nods. /me is still looking for it.

Maybe rules don't apply to Ulrika .. not even her own.

Besides, this doesn't have anything to do with n'burg per se, it's just a pissing match.

I'll have a double double please. A little refreshment is definitely in order as one foolishly tries to digest all of this drama over, well, what the heck is this drama all about? Add a chocolate milkshake to my order please.

Yah I'll enjoy that more.

SIGGY!!! The couch misses you and is looking for new victims.

It's cousin here in Nevada is doing a fine job of weaving its spell of narcolepsy upon me

Continuing in the public service of derailing a thread that desperately needs it....

We got our asses kicked by some hopped-up, sleet-flinging hob-clerics from hell last night -- who also set us on fire over and over and over ... where were you?? We could have really used your axe-weilding psychotic self. There is something poetic in sliding down an icy slope, blind, and on fire - reminds me of the forums.

This sounds very close to an admission that your intention with all these posts was just to "sh*t disturb and run."

Your initial position was that Neualtenburg had "failed" and was in a state of imminent collapse, now you are implying it will go "on and on" without you. You also claimed to be aggrieved or hurt over the terrorist appelation, but here you seem to think its kind of funny and interesting.

It couldn't be true that Ulrika is just causing a lot of personal grief for no reason other than to make a political point in the fourms could it? Or that the statements she is making are not so much true statements of her feelings and beliefs, but more like calculated missives intended to engender certain feelings and reactions in others?

That would be so wrong!

Say it ain't so!

I nominate this as the best post of the thread and because it can never be topped declare it closed.

~Ulrika~

Recovering from Jetlag - coming to grips with actually having to go into work and spending some time with my estranged wife

Also some fool spammed me with 128 different laser sounds that I had to go through and put away in folders. Things should settle down soon and I look forward to going back to my 'irish mine sweeper' method of finding traps soon

Precisely, it's time people learn what Article 30 of the Universal Declaration of the Human Rights mean: you cannot use any of the other articles on that declaration (including, but not limited to, the right to freedom of expression) to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Put in other words, there is no way someone can abuse a right in order to destroy other rights. Sadly, article 30 of the UDHR is rarely, if never, remembered by activists of human rights; they tend just to focus on one or two of the more interesting articles and ignore the others. But the UDHR is a document that has to be applied as a whole.

Countries (and organisations) that do not subscribe to the UDHR are obviously exempt to its guidelines and interpretations thereof. Neualtenburg, however, still has on its Constitution the strict adherence to the UDHR — all its articles, not just the ones that you might happen to like more. Until this adherence to UDHR is removed from N'burg's Constitution — which naturally is a possibility, through an amendment — the whole UDHR applies, and not just one or two articles.

Feel free to provide your own interpretation on article 30!


Not to sound condescending, interpreting what the articles mean (and not the facts — your words, not mine) is truly the job of all the members of the Scientific Council.

There is a reason why it's called "the Scientific Council": questioning everything skeptically is supposed to be part of the "job". And naturally enough I expect that in time, interpretations will change, according to methodological questioning of earlier interpretations by seeing if they still apply, as things change all the time.

After all, I hardly expect people to believe in the 21st century that somehow we've got handed out the Stone Tables with the Ten Commandments or a similar religious book that we are not allowed to question skeptically...


So am I, and I'm still awaiting your list of favouritism displayed by the Lindens regarding Neualtenburg. I think that the public has a right to know at which point the Neualtenburg project has received a clear favouritism over other projects in order to discuss that issue publicly.


Not at all, Picabo. Just take a little time to scroll back on the forums. Around every three months or so, what you call "this point" has been reached systematically. Since this kind of drama tires easily, it gets forgotten after a few days, only to be resurrected again a few months later. And then everybody is going "Aha! Now, truly, Neualtenburg is doomed, it just took a little while to reach the point we 'all' have predicted!".

The next drama session is scheduled for July, I hope you're all still around to requote this April's arguments. After all, all this is just a rerun of the same things that have been said before; only circunstances and actors change, as well as participants on the ongoing discussion.

The only thing that is truly amusing is that some people now think that the whole purpose of Neualtenburg is to exactly provide fuel for forum drama


Well, because what you see as "flaws" are part of all processes in human nature! Exposing flaws and dealing with them is simply assuming that we are all human, not supernatural gods, we make mistakes, and we learn from them. There is absolutely nothing wrong by finding out "flaws" — if there is a will to strive for correcting them.

Our whole educational system iRL is based on recognizing our mistakes and learn to correct them. Not surprisingly, since that's in our human nature. The goal of a "flawless concept" is a very honourable one, but that's an unreachable utopia. A pragmatist's approach is to place the "flawless concept" in a shelf and strive to come as near to it as possible, while fully knowing that the shelf is simply too high to reach. But that doesn't make the whole process worthless! We are not defined by our flaws, but in our ability to know how to deal with them and overcome them, one by one.

Giving up just because you're not perfect is the way of the pessimist, of the deranged, and of the terminally depressed. The Neualtenburgers are neither.


At least that is something we all agree on — but I thought the General forum was the place to provide entertainment with forum drama...? If not, why is it that 50% of the threads here are only about forum drama? For many, it's one perfectly reasonable and allowed form of entertainment. If people enjoy it, I wouldn't blame too much Linden Lab for providing entertainment forums.

It's free entertainment! Is that so wrong?

"You have the freedom to say you agree with me."



So it's like a perverted, totalitarian version of meritocracy, minus the merit?

Why not just go back to the stoneage concept of a council of elders? At least that has the virtue of the logic that the eldest would be the wisest, even if it's not particularly true.



Of course not. That's what unlimited power in the hands of the unelected-for-life is for.



It has yet to prove us wrong.



Because nothing says "learning from our mistakes" like creating an unrestricted body of government as a "new system of government" as an alternative to the exact same thing.

There is no unrestricted body of government in N'burg as far as I know. If you're talking about the Judicial branch (SC), which was mentioned in Gwyn's post, it is bound by the same limitations as the U.S.'s Judicial branch.

However, if you would like to see a government in a virtual world that is truly unrestricted, look no further than the Linden oligarchy. In addition to being a supreme ruling body, they have the ability to create, control, and destroy land, objects, and avatars. Let's see you cry about that.

~Ulrika~

Yes. That's what I got from that (and other posts) as well.

~Ulrika~

That would be the Artist's Guild branch of the Government

You should just pull Reitsuki in as king. Since he's always right, it would save a lot of time.

~Ulrika~

There's a "log cabin" in Altenburg he can move into.

I will *freely* admit that I don't follow you hamburger folks all that much. However, why does the phrase "unlimited veto power" keep popping up in reference to the SC? Vesting that much power in any one branch, even if it's only the power to cancle out the other branches, is never a good thing.

And you misunderstand - I'm all for an unrestricted body of government. I just wish the lindens were a bit more fascist about it... They could stand to be a lot less tollerant of asshat builds, for example.

Well crap. If I'm always right it's time to make some changes. I need to start buying lottery tickets.

I don't think you want me. I'd declare war on the Gorean sims or something as my first act. What do you folks have as a standing military? I hope at least a stockpile of Seburos or something...

It's just rhetoric in a power struggle.

You see, there are three branches in the government with different functions that were designed to share power and keep each other in line with a set of checks and balances. The "unlimited veto power" you hear is simply rhetoric being used by one branch to try and push through an amendment that would increase its own power. Yup. It's a political talking point created by individuals who are trying to consolidate their own power.

The SC is just a judicial branch that exists to enforce the Constitution. This is why I returned temporarily, to try and convince folks in the city that this shift in power would undermine the power of the Constitution.

~Ulrika~