SL is too unstable to invest in

So with unlimited creativity at our hands... the best we can do is emulate real life?

Why is this a better option than all those people who whine about little houses surrounded by white picket fences?

Lewis

Exactly ... And if the talented and creative minds in SL are not properly compensated for their contribution to SL, nothing worth anything will exist in SL, and there will be no economy.
The appeal of being financially compensated for their talent and creativity is what keeps the large majority of these talented people creating in SecondLife. Without it, they would not be here.



Both lifestyles can co-exist!

No one is telling you you can't create, chat, socialize and participate in SecondLife. You can still do all of these things. It is you and your kind who are the ones telling the creators they shouldn't not be compensated for their hard work because it doesn't fit your belief that SL should be free of an economy and everything should be free.

If you're not going to make money, whose going to go out and buy sims? Who would want to pay that much unless there was potential profit from it? Not too many people.

Second life is filled with player made content, it wouldn't be half of what it is if there was no profit. Anything that is half decent in second life usually cost money, any item that is any good usually cost money. Heard the saying "time is money?". It takes time to make good content and with the way the world functions, people usually want compensation for their time.

So why are so many people telling me that if I don't like the way things they want it, I should just leave?

Lewis

So don't make a fast buck. Go ahead and create for the sake of creativity.

Nobody is stopping you, are they?

You've made it clear that you don't need money, or could care less about the economy aspect of SL.

So how does having an economy in SL impact you in any kind of way?

Because you seem very unhappy with things as they are.

This has been covered many times. The economy is controlled by a tiny minority of people who have a lot of money. Things like land prices, for example, are regulated by them, and if you sell a plot of land for well under what they consider is the right price, they'll just snap it up, reprice and put it back on the market. That's just one example, as so many of us buy land as part of our imput into the game.

Lewis

Because you keep telling everyone else that they are wrong, you should leave if you are going to do that. YOu have to co-exist with out going against everyone and putting everyone down. You can't say your way is right and everyone is is wrong, and if you do (whcih you have), you can't expect people to conform to what you say.

I dont think ANYONE is arguing that creators should be compensated or everything should be free *boggles* what kinda game is that?!

k go buy a sim and set your own prices to land plots, tell me what you learn from this when you're finished.

There's a difference.

I am happy with my gameplay and what I do in SL. I am happy with what I build, and the people I meet.

I am just unhappy with certain aspects being controlled by a small group of people for their own benefit, rather than quality.

Look at the top clubs and casinos. Most of them are only there because of what they pay people to stay there for hours on end doing nothing.

If I had the money, I could hire people to build me the best club, to my specifications, and by giving the most money out, would become the most popular place in the game, all through doing pretty much nothing, especially if I hired a couple of people to run it for me, such as a dancer manager and some DJ's doing regular slots.

I wouldn't even have to log in except to pay people... and that could probably be scripted.

Now, you tell me... how is that doing anything special to be the best?

Lewis

You either want to participate in the economy, or you don't.

Make up your mind...you can't have it both ways.

Pretty sure lewis has been arguing that the whole time, are you missing out a few pages? We argued that potentially people can make money, realistically not everyone can, linden doesn't lie, and also that content creators should be compensated and that is why we have an economy

Then what are you saying?

That things shouldn't be as expensive, or otherwise everything should be less costly?

Just exactly what is it that you want?

If I had that amount of money to spend, I can think of more enjoyable and useful things to do than spend it on virtual land that is worth nothing if LL close down tomorrow.

Lewis

I care about the economy, and also i find this thread very entertaining (omgosh free entertainment!) otherwise I wouldnt be posting.

You can whine and complain about not having money, and about those that have money till your face turns blue.

Get motivated, stop seeing yourself as a victim, get out there, work hard like everybody else, and become part of that successful small group of people.

I can guarantee you one thing. You will never have money with your current mindset.

NO ONE is saying content creators shouldn't be paid. NO ONE is saying money is evil and we should all become socialists or communists.

Im in this for fun. Im sad that people who are in it just to make money can do so much damage.

Where am I complaining about not having money? It's not the reason I'm here!



My example previously shows that money, not skill or effort, is what's the key factor. But do you know I'm doing nothing? I'm building something right now which will provide entertainment to those who come along, and I have a tip jar plus 10% of the pot to the house on each game. Not likely to make a million but if it goes towards my costs it all helps.



You're on the assumption - wrongly - that all I am here for is money. There's so much more to be enjoyed from SL than making money.

Lewis

This is HYSTERICAL! Have you read any of his posts? Lewis isnt in this game for money.

Motivated? He's setting up a laserquest area as I write this. He's spending time and probably money to create content, entertainment and fun.

I dont see a victim, I see a motivated content creator who decries what Lindex sellers are doing to the economy. He's free to let me know if I have a skewed view of him however.

Huh?

What kind of statement is this?

Care to explain how people who are in it to make money are doing so much damage?

Maybe their idea of fun is making money. Yours obviously isn't.

So how is your idea of fun more important thant their idea of fun?

It isn't more important. But those of them trying to kill the stipends seem to think theirs is mor eimportant than ours who play for fun.

all i can say is omg, do you think about waht you say before you post? do you just type and forget everything you've ever said?

I've spent L$450 today buying some sliding door sets from a resident called SR Puff, rather than spend several days swearing at LSL because it won't do what it should be.

I've spent countless hours over this last 2 weeks tweaking what I have so I can get it how I want it. It'll probably be another week or so finishing. But that's how I play. I am contributing to the enjoyment of SL, not just cashing out.

Lewis

I have no problem with anyone coming to SL to have fun. I have a problem with sellers devaluing the $L, dropping the economy, then claiming its all the stipends fault.


PLEASE... come to SL to have fun.