SL is too unstable to invest in

Good grief. I THINK Dakinds original point was that SL would benefit from BOTH AMATEURS & PROFESSIONALS, it was an all-encompassing viewpoint as opposed to some others, allbeit illustrated with an example that SOME amateur content was crap, not ALL.

Lewis, what on earth gives you cause to believe that "creative and motivated" entrepreneurs have "ruined the game" (your words) ?

I highly doubt camping chairs for example are the work of such people, it hardly showcases their talents in creative design & scripting. Don't mistake creative professionals who require some reimbursement for their work with greedy amateurs looking for a quick buck.

In what way could these people impact your game ? You can still make and collect things for free and continue to play just as you always have.

There's quality and rubbish from both amateurs and professionals in the real world as there is in SL. Preventing either party from participating will do nothing to change that. Allowing an environment that supports BOTH simply creates more choice and richness.

You obviously don't particularly care about or need money in SL which is fine, so why do you criticise those that do in order to participate ? LL has clearly stated it wants SL to be seen as a platform, not a game, it seems rather petty of you to be so defensive about the way you use it to the point of objecting about every issue raised by people who participate on different terms.

The attraction of quick bucks in SL is a red herring, we're talking about creative people who can contribute as professionals on terms that should have no effect on you.

The only sad part is that those who think SL shouldn't be used to make money have been misinformed because ever since I've joined SL, all i've seen, read, and heard about is how SL is a great tool to make money (which it is!).

couldn't have said it better myself, thank you. I'm glad to see that not everyone in the SL forums make mindless contradictions and say retarded things to which they know nothing about.

You can make thousands in SL, i'm sorry that you haven't. Of course I had to learn how the SL market worked but in the end you find ways to make money. It isn't a flat out lie, it's common sense that if you're a fu(|(ing idiot and have no idea how to run a business, then you're not going to make money in SL. If you have an idea of how a business works, if you have a product to sell, and if you have the means to make the product, then of course your going to make money, so long as your idea is popular and isn't a rip off of someone elses, and if it is a rip off then it should be better then the original.

I am majoring in computer science so I can code very well, do you know how i've paid for my education so far? SL! Thank you second life for providing the means for me to support myself. Now if they weren't getting all stupid with the market, I wouldn't be so worried about cash flow.

One thing though, there is always going to be a division between those who think SL should be used to make money and those who think it shouldn't. The only sad part is that those who think SL shouldn't be used to make money have been misinformed because ever since I've joined SL, all i've seen, read, and heard about is how SL is a great tool to make money (which it is!).

We'll leave LL's advertising lies for another day... but have you ever considered that to sell your 'stuff' - whatever it might be - someone has to buy it?

And where do they make their money from? They're the ones here treating SL like it is, rather than what a certain few would like it to be.

Lewis

Yet you're still posting.

Lewis

couldn't have said it better myself, thank you. I'm glad to see that not everyone in the SL forums make mindless contradictions and say retarded things to which they know nothing about.

Its a LIE to say that everyone is going to be able to come to SL and make thousands of dollars, which is how LL advertises itself. Every new article is about how so-and-so makes a rl income off of SL. You even say so yourself.

They aren't lies, it's people like you who destroy a game by going against everything that everyone says. Why do you play SL if you disagree with any of it? Go play something else if you disagree with the views of LL.

Indeed it is a lie to say that everyong WILL make money, but SL doesn't advertise that. They advertise taht everyone has the potential to. It is a debate between potentially and realistically.

Potentially everyone can make money, providing they have the means (ideas, in game knowledge etc etc). Potentially everyone will learn how to make money in one way or another.


Realistically not everyone has the knowledge or motiviation to do so. Realistically not everyone wants to, has the time, or many other reasons.


so to sum it all up!

POTENTIALLY, EVERYONE CAN MAKE AND EARN MONEY IN SL

REALISTICALLY, NOT EVERYONE WILL FOR VARIATING REASONS DEPENDING TO THAT PERSON.

Ok, lets take this hypothetically. Everyone come into SL with the same idea for a potential widget. Or even widgets that are similar with some minor differences. Is EVERYONE going to make money this way? I think youre missing the supply/demand theory.

I really dont want to argue semantics. Maybe LL could just say "Hey, if you play our game, you have the POTENTIAL to make money... but more than likely you wont."

Thanks Lewis, of course what you say doesn't really matter to me. Your personal attack against me just proves that you have no ground to stand on. Personal attacks like that are the last attempt to shoot down someone, and you've failed that.

The difference between POTENTIALLY and REALISTICALLY:

A young boy went up to his father and asked, "what is the difference between potentially and realistically?"

The father pondered for a while, then answered,

"Go ask your mother if she would sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars. Also, ask your sister if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars. Come back and tell me what you have learned."

So the boy went to his mother and asked, "Would you sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars?"

The mother replied "Of course I would. I wouldn't pass up an opportunity like that."

The boy then went to his sister and said. "Would you sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars?"

The girl replied. "Oh gosh!! I would just love to do that! I would be nuts to pass up that opportunity!!".

The boy then thought about it for two or three days and went back to his dad. His father asked him, "Did you find out the difference between potential and realistic?"

The boy replied, "Yes, potentially we're sitting on two million dollars, but realistically we're living with two slappers."

The father replied, "That's my boy!"

Lewis

Common sense 101 about advertising, you don't advertise saying "more than likely you wont". Do yourself a favour, don't go into marketing please lol. That company sure won't be selling anything.

what personal attacks?

Thank you for confirming my statement that LL's marketing tactics are untruthful.

Lewis

The boy replied, "Yes, potentially we're sitting on two million dollars, but realistically we're living with two slappers."

The father replied, "That's my boy!"

Lewis

couldn't have said it better myself, thank you. I'm glad to see that not everyone in the SL forums make mindless contradictions and say retarded things to which they know nothing about.

The appeal of SL is its economy.

Players with a socialist mindset understand this, but they can't help fighting it because it goes against their natural thought process and way of thinking, which is why they come into the land and economy forum and spew their bit.

Lewis you are having too much fun in SL, shame on you, go out and earn some money. Me, I'm going back to SL and play, I don't have the creative capability to make money in SL.

read the posts, you'll make sense of it one day. Well "Potentially" you will but realistically, you might not for various reasons that I don't want to describe.

It is mathmatically impossible for everyone to make real money in SL. There is a finite amount of revenue being generated by SL. I'm refering to the money paid by players through premium accounts, land purchasing and tier costs. From that, LL will take a set amount to cover costs and their own profit. Whatever is leftover is available to the population as a whole, and this is less than what the population as a whole put into the game.

So just like RL, only the best will actually make money here. My own approach, and I think that many may share it, is that I hope to start a unique kind of business and be in that small percentage that does succeed, but even if I don't, I'm still going to have fun trying. And the real dollars I may put into SL, I simply look at those as the cost of having fun. Its cheaper than bowling, and I don't have to wear funny shoes.

The appeal of SL is its economy.

The appeal is its creativity. Without the creativity afforded to us by the tools provided in the game, nothing would exist, and therefore no economy however hard you try.



What I prefer to call a more 'realistic' economy may be the antithesis of what you are trying to achieve through capitalism - but why is that so wrong and your way is right? This forum isn't for capitalists only, you know. Neither is the game.

Lewis

Who said you needed creativity? Who said you needed any great skill? Anyone can be the next Anshe Chung if they a) have enough money to take her on, and b) undercut her prices enough to damage but still make a profit yourself.

By the posts of some of the capitalists in this forum, it seems that intelligence isn't necessarily required either.

Lewis