Lindens get the **** off the LindeX!

Crack down on those Hypsters... They are hyping the L$ and we all know its going into the toilet.. Atleast until the new arrangements are setup.

We do? Care to offer any evidence of that (for a change)? While you're at it, you still haven't explained why you were advocating selling at L$326 two weeks ago...I'd like to hear your explanation for that, too.

I think your post history puts you at risk for being cracked down on RBD. I seem to remember something about throwing stones in a glass house... or was it don't say "I did it" at a murder trial? I forget...

I'm not at risk of any wrong doing. It isn't my fault that I speak the truth and it goes against the "hope" you have in the Linden Dollar. When I say the L$ once was at L$175 in Sep '04 and has declined to L$330, it is factual information of the historic decline of the L$. And when I point to the policies of Linden Labs as the primary cause of that decline, that to is more factual information. And when the linden dollar bounces up 30/pts and stagnates, I call it like it is, "A Dead Cat Bounce". And just as predicted, the L$ is falling once again. Soory if you can't take the truth.. As for me, I haven't profitted 1 penny off anything I've said. So I'm not manipulating the market either...

You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.

There is a difference between stating a fact, and trying to cause panic regarding the value of the L$. You have made MANY posts stating that the financial sky was falling, and to "sell sell sell".

As for whether or not you profit from your antics... I don't really believe much of what you say regarding business... your quote in my sig says it all.

I have no interest in causing a panic. I'm just telling folks that the current policy behind the L$ is the cause of its historic decline And the recent rally will only be short lived... If you don't like those facts, tuff.. But the truth is backing me up, with the L$ falling once again because it couldn't get past that L$300ish brick wall... Those who sold, got out good. Those still holding for better tomorrow are losing their chance to get out while the value is high.

Actually, when I was ready to cash some L$ out to pay for web hosting, the price was over L$320/USD$1. It was during one of your "sky is falling rants", which I ignored, and waited. I ended up selling my L$ when the market stabalized around L$299-L$310/USD$1 and it worked out.

Selling when the market value of the L$ is crap only makes the situation worse... that's basic economics. SL sin't going offline tomorrow, and the market will fluctuate. That's basic economics.

Paranoia and misinformation are the tools of enron mentality, and have no place in good business practice. But, then again, you don't believe in fair pricing... so why am I arguing this with you? lol

Burnman, you got lucky.. What about the people back in March when the L$ was L$270 and folks said "The L$ is going higher, RBD is crazy". But the L$ didn't go higher, it tanked to L$330. Should those people have sold then? Or should they continue to hang on and hope for a better tomorrow?

Look at the "OVER ALL" picture of the L$. Not a short term bump that is only a few weeks old.

RBD... I wasn't lucky, I was patient.

I understand that the value is going to fluctuate. I waited for the ride to get over the hill and THEN got off the ride.

What would be more helpful to the readers of your posts would be posting concerns in a rational, detailed, non-panic sort of way. Otherwise, you become part of the problem.

You validate my point. I'm fussing about the Macro-Picture of the Linden Dollar's valuation over the long haul. You are talking about the Micro-Picture of the L$ over a few weeks/months.

And the long term outlook for the Linden Dollars is (Down). Although the recent news of how Linden Labs plans to introduce new currency into SL might change that trend. Hopefully it does begin to push the Linden Dollar higher..

Then explain these statements of yours:

Spreading FUD with baseless claims that LL is scrapping the L$--making it instantly worthless--and implementing a new currency:
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"Predicting" the L$ starting to fall two weeks ago:
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On 22 June, with the L$ at 326 to 1:
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Why were you saying to sell at 326? I wonder if anyone followed that garbage advice only to watch the L$ climb to 300 soon thereafter.

And on 23 June when you claimed the L$ was just pausing at 330 and would continue down to 350-400:
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What about all of those statements, RBD?

R&D regardless they are paid for still. Your are paying for the freshly printed linden's and your proved your posts are hogwash by even stating that and proved the fact that they are indeed paid for. Tried to moot my point but just proved the entirity of it really. Regardless of what you think an economy cant work in that light without a job market that is actually viable.
Which really in SL doesnt exist and is getting smaller as they cut down on the stipends and other money sources. Mabye in a real world economy this stuff works but in a virtual economy it doesnt. You just want to force people to buy L plain and simple and things dont work that way.

LL needs to print new money and we shouldnt have to buy money all the time. Simply put if it halts development in world for those getting started and those that dont buy L now probably wont into the future. Your little attempts to act like people dont get the concept of the economy here is just out there. I think its you who dont understand how SL as a whole works. You worry to much about the economy which is fine how it worked by the way so people need to adjust prices it happens. It happens in the real world to look at gas prices and the price on other items.

The economy you describe wouldnt work. Go make your own virtual world somewhere and test that sort of economy and see what how people respond to it I could make a list of the reasons it wont work but it just isnt worth the effort. You will argue that your right even if you know you arnt because you want to see this happen for your own gain. I'll just point out to LL that the stipend is a neccessity to have in world regardless of what your told by an economist.

I for one care about SL and i want it to see a bright future not become some mundane place where all anyone does is work even to just enjoy themselves here. People come here to try and escape real life (the majority anyway) and making to many things reflect the real world in the sense of economy will only hurt SL's chance of surviving long term. Im not an economic expert nor do i claim to be one I'm just a person that watches out for the people of SL as opposed to my own pockets.

<blush> ty )

You have proved time and time again with your own posts about why the stipend acted like a tax. People who buy a stipend but don't buy on the Lindex do not give 1 US$ to people. The stipend takes US$ from residents, I'm not talking about $L when I'm talking of money here. Of course, it gives people $L. Every premium account bought for stipend alone is US$72 that could of gone to residents. I don't believe that US$72 neccisarily should go to residents as I want LL to make money too, but the stipend has been a competition since the beginning. You think people will not buy on the Lindex soley out of the illusion that buying from residents is somehow evil. Personally, I think it is a very backwards way of thinking to assume that giving money to other residents somehow makes SL about money and not fun.

*Enters the maze and sniffs for some cheese* Hey..Thats not cheese, thats a stupid prim cube. Hang on. Need to relog the maze just crashed. Wait, there it is. I can't afford those pixels. I had better buy some more monopoly money. Should I buy some from another rat? He's just a rat looking to make some cash. Or should I buy from a Linden rat? He's also just a rat looking to make some real money. Decisions decisions. Screw it I'm going to go buy a hot pocket and fly my freebie plane around in a sandbox and enjoy myself. I'll leave all this buying and selling monopoly money to the professionals. You know. The ones who are going to be at the top of the class action suit against Linden labs when this whole little "Experiment" in economy jumps up and bites them in thier imaginary ass. Mmmm..cheesy hot pockets.

It will never cease to amaze me how people like to comment with sarcasm about things they claim they don't care about, and insult things they choose not to participate in.

Ah well... just another example of how some people just aren't happy unless they're putting someone else down.

But dear replier. You are wrong. I do care about it. And in posting this I have participated in the disscussion in my own small way. Hopefully, somone will see this for what it is. My own, uneducated attempt to describe simply what others describe with words longer then my attention span. Don't get mad oh being of higher intelligence then I. Seek instead to educate me on why I should spend money to spend money on fake money that might remake that real money I spent cause if I play my cards right someday in the future if the market/game/servers don't crash I could be in the top 2% of a fictional social strata in a semi persistent yet completely imaginary world. I will be forever in your debt oh great thinker of the 21st century.

Edited for spelling and punctuation. Notice I missed a few.

See? More sarcasm.

What you say is less valuable when presented with sarcasm. People tend to zone out your message and focus on the "whine" factor.

Oh... by the way... I never claimed intelligence greater than any other individual on these forums. If you feel less intelligent because I remarked on your desire to post a sarcastic dig at people who participate in the L$/USD$ world, then perhaps you should rethink your approach.

I didn't think you were an idiot, I just thought you were "acting out".

If you think the goal of Second Life is to become a rich business owner, then you are missing the many possibilities of Second Life. You don't have to make a single cent in Second Life to have the ability to create whatever you want. You don't even have to sell what you create. Not one cent of money is needed to enjoy Second Life.

On your other point, the money in Second Life is just as real as the money in Real Life. Anything that people are willing to use in trade is real money. If you could go on the internet and trade people your monopoly money for things you wanted, then monopoly money would be real money. You have every right to not spend any US$ on $L, but the thousands of people that do spend US$ on $L, whether they buy stipends or on the Lindex, have given the $L a US$ value that is very real. No one is forcing you to spend US$ for $L, but people that sell their work in SL want to buy stuff in RL, and $L do not buy things in real life. An exchange has to exist to allow the person selling their work to get their local currency while you get the $L currency to buy everything your heart desires in SL. If your heart desires nothing, then you should buy nothing. If your heart desires everything, then find a way to make enough money to buy everything, but most people will find it easier to make money in RL than they will in SL. These people should focus on making their local currencies to afford what they want rather than trying to earn $L. There is nothing wrong with this, that is part of the reason why the $L has a US$ value.

Yes, I see a lot of that on these forums and that is how some of these people get the attention they crave negative thought it may be. I, at times try to give them positive attention which seems to confuse them and that surely is not my intent.

Exactly, and well put. While the products in SL may very well be "virtual", if you wish to access something that is not freely available, then you have established a demand. If that demand is high enough, then the value of the virtual property increases. Those willing to spend the USD$ or the L$ (which equates to USD$ for many) will have access to such property, while those not willing to pay for it will not.

Anyone can earn income in SL, it's really not rocket science. There are a variety of ways to do so. I haven't paid for my premium membership or land tier out of my bank account for months, and I am able to add to my traditional RL income as well.

There is nothing wrong with that, in fact, the system is designed to promote it. Every time I cash some L$ out for USD, LL gets a cut. Everytime someone buys L$, LL gets a cut. The LindeX helps fund Linden Lab's SL research & development.

Ahh dear replier. Perhaps I was in your mind acting out. In my mind acting out would be to spam most of the forums and quite a bit of the sl universe with calls to boycott these prissy landbaron high priced "High end" content for the same "Crap" as last year creators. I walk along in SL and see freebies "Repackaged" and in pretty new boxes selling for 50L- ad nausem and my poor little heart aches. I see a 512 selling for 5K amidst miles and miles of shitty code and clipped textures and My lag follows my anger into the imaginary stratosphere. A small minority of people cleaning up at the expense of others is not new. It's almost expected. Just look at France, angland, Holland and thier past practices and you will see what I mean. But while your at it. Look at the French revolution, the rise of fasicm(sp) and the proliferation of "Poor" angry players with guns running amok through your sculptured Prim lawns calling for your pretty little flexi prim heads. ahh. but that would just be another post on the griefer page. Pissed off poor people tend to violence because thier voices are lost on those who have cash stuck in thier ears. And those same rich prissy people have the neve to look surprised when they are thrust up against the wall and blindfolded. Just a thought. Money is power but if your power is based on somthing that people have never had..Guns in SL are nearly free. C4 is free, griefer scripts are free. Defense against these nefarious means are usually pretty expensive. So, that said. while I would gleefully condone and participate in a gridwide boycott I would not resort to violence nor would I stand idly by. It just seems easier to me to not "Purposefully" create a class of players who's entire purpose would be your own downfall. what do I know. Perhaps the Lindens are just cutting themselves a quick out when they decide to close up shop and take the money and run.

Why are you here?

If you have such a grim outlook on SL, there is an option to delete your account and end your misery.

Anti-push is coming in the next major update, so guns/bombs in SL will no longer cause the grief they do now unless you allow it.

*LOL* Dear replier. I have been "Playing" this "Game" for quite somtime now. I did not read about this in forbes and think it looked like a good investment. I found it by accident and thought it looked like "fun" I have been basic to premium to landowner to basic again and again depending on my mood. I have nothing againt you greedy pinheads making real money in here. what I am against is the growing almost blatent have, have nots. Let me ask you. do you help new residents? Do you? I know some in this forum go out of thier way to help new players. They are a minority even for this minority. do you listen to new players? when they ask you in thier childish squeeky 12-25 year old type? How do i get muny? do you say.."Work hard and earn it you stinkin freeloader" and continue on your way? Or do you bother to stop and post a thread to this forum and then kick em back into the gutter and continue on your way? First one and you have made a griefer, second one you have made a griefer who now has names on his hitlist. Tell you what. voulenteer some time in the mentor program, or as a greeter, spend some time with these people then say the econemy is fine. Lindenlabs is generating actual wealth for you. You can afford a couple hours a week down in the dirt with the salt of the pixellized earth. Perhaps you can teach them..As you have so graciously taught me..that your all just a bunch of whiny little talking heads who, if they are disagreed with respond with OMG. Sarcasm. How dare you criticize me. If you don't like it leave. Naw. I think I'll stay. I am entitled to my 2 cents as well. See ya about.

Actually... it's not a game.

greedy pinheads? Being a bit judgemental? You have no idea whether or not anyone you don't know is involved in helping newbies or not. If I am asked how one gets money in SL, I'll offer a few suggestions on earning it.

I don't mind criticism... it's the sarcasm that the world could do without. People seem to think a "witty" sarcastic statement makes them intelligent... but really, it just invalidates your point, and takes any focus that might have been productive away from it.

I hope you find some peace in life, things obviously seem to be stressing you a bit. Good luck to you and yours!