Lindens get the **** off the LindeX!

As you have so graciously taught me..that your all just a bunch of whiny little talking heads who, if they are disagreed with respond with OMG. Sarcasm. How dare you criticize me. If you don't like it leave. Naw. I think I'll stay. I am entitled to my 2 cents as well. See ya about.

I do apologise to You as a human being Burnman in regards to the greedy pinhead comment. I was generalizing and I am not very well versed in the ettiquite of grammar and sentence structure. Blame chatroom burn out I suppose. But I will agree with you on one thing I am angry. Why am I angry? when I myself say it's more or less just a game?
A couple of reasons I suppose. 1. I do see a distinction between the haves and have nots in this (I call it a game You can call it anything you want) game. The fact that getting rich and making money is not the whole issue. I am all for a free market economy. I am not for price gouging, blatent manipulation of the "In game" prices through forum speculation" actions of a few apparently privledged few. I makes me angry to come to these forums and see the same 12 fatcats wheeling and dealing cause they milked the system hard and fast and now can swing thier virtual dicks with impunity at anyone who stands in thier way. Again I am generalizing. I mean noone in particular and everyone of those 12 in general. this "Game" has always been for geeks,nerds, socially inept geniouses(sp= I am not one of them) to come and answer simple yes or no questions with paragraph spanning bluster and commentary on every nuanse of asked question. "I just asked if It was for sale jeeze" But I dunno call me crazy but the forums have intellectualized themselves into a virtual game of I know more then you so shut up and grovel and don't you dare so much as dissagree with me or I will verbally bludgeon you into a pixelled pulp.

As for the sarcasm. What kind of world would it be if EVERYONE had to sink down to the level of verbal one upmanship to get thier point across? I admit it. I am not as worded(long winded as mebee) as some of you folks. I can't off the top of my head spin out a half dozen Post links to everything from social economic graphical data anaylisys in regards to stratification of existing social boundries to the existence of a virtual sentient ai yeti stalking residents of neualtenburg so I, like many in my seeming social class resort to sarcasm,parody, lowbrow humor and apparently griefing to get my point across. I'm not trying to look smart. I'm just saying that no matter how you word it. If it looks like a skunk, acts like a skunk and smells like a skunk. It's probably a skunk. This current issue with the stipends,lindenX and 5k 512s looks a lot like a skunk. I'll stop posting in these forums and let the huge brained talking heads go back to thier wheeling and dealing. I'm done. Your all smarter then me. I'll let my friends know that we are just to stupid to rent your land,buy your land and to not bother with your great intellectual properties in general. I like T-shirts and stiff hair anyhow. Feel free to screech at me in world though. I actually go there. Watch out though. I am a simple peseant and may react to your mighty intelligence with fear and violence. Peace Comrades.

I do apologise to You as a human being Burnman in regards to the greedy pinhead comment. I was generalizing and I am not very well versed in the ettiquite of grammar and sentence structure. Blame chatroom burn out I suppose. But I will agree with you on one thing I am angry. Why am I angry? when I myself say it's more or less just a game?
A couple of reasons I suppose. 1. I do see a distinction between the haves and have nots in this (I call it a game You can call it anything you want) game. The fact that getting rich and making money is not the whole issue. I am all for a free market economy. I am not for price gouging, blatent manipulation of the "In game" prices through forum speculation" actions of a few apparently privledged few. I makes me angry to come to these forums and see the same 12 fatcats wheeling and dealing cause they milked the system hard and fast and now can swing thier virtual dicks with impunity at anyone who stands in thier way. Again I am generalizing. I mean noone in particular and everyone of those 12 in general. this "Game" has always been for geeks,nerds, socially inept geniouses(sp= I am not one of them) to come and answer simple yes or no questions with paragraph spanning bluster and commentary on every nuanse of asked question. "I just asked if It was for sale jeeze" But I dunno call me crazy but the forums have intellectualized themselves into a virtual game of I know more then you so shut up and grovel and don't you dare so much as dissagree with me or I will verbally bludgeon you into a pixelled pulp.

As for the sarcasm. What kind of world would it be if EVERYONE had to sink down to the level of verbal one upmanship to get thier point across? I admit it. I am not as worded(long winded as mebee) as some of you folks. I can't off the top of my head spin out a half dozen Post links to everything from social economic graphical data anaylisys in regards to stratification of existing social boundries to the existence of a virtual sentient ai yeti stalking residents of neualtenburg so I, like many in my seeming social class resort to sarcasm,parody, lowbrow humor and apparently griefing to get my point across. I'm not trying to look smart. I'm just saying that no matter how you word it. If it looks like a skunk, acts like a skunk and smells like a skunk. It's probably a skunk. This current issue with the stipends,lindenX and 5k 512s looks a lot like a skunk. I'll stop posting in these forums and let the huge brained talking heads go back to thier wheeling and dealing. I'm done. Your all smarter then me. I'll let my friends know that we are just to stupid to rent your land,buy your land and to not bother with your great intellectual properties in general. I like T-shirts and stiff hair anyhow. Feel free to screech at me in world though. I actually go there. Watch out though. I am a simple peseant and may react to your mighty intelligence with fear and violence. Peace Comrades.

I do apologise to You as a human being Burnman in regards to the greedy pinhead comment. I was generalizing and I am not very well versed in the ettiquite of grammar and sentence structure. Blame chatroom burn out I suppose. But I will agree with you on one thing I am angry. Why am I angry? when I myself say it's more or less just a game?
A couple of reasons I suppose. 1. I do see a distinction between the haves and have nots in this (I call it a game You can call it anything you want) game. The fact that getting rich and making money is not the whole issue. I am all for a free market economy. I am not for price gouging, blatent manipulation of the "In game" prices through forum speculation" actions of a few apparently privledged few. I makes me angry to come to these forums and see the same 12 fatcats wheeling and dealing cause they milked the system hard and fast and now can swing thier virtual dicks with impunity at anyone who stands in thier way. Again I am generalizing. I mean noone in particular and everyone of those 12 in general. this "Game" has always been for geeks,nerds, socially inept geniouses(sp= I am not one of them) to come and answer simple yes or no questions with paragraph spanning bluster and commentary on every nuanse of asked question. "I just asked if It was for sale jeeze" But I dunno call me crazy but the forums have intellectualized themselves into a virtual game of I know more then you so shut up and grovel and don't you dare so much as dissagree with me or I will verbally bludgeon you into a pixelled pulp.

As for the sarcasm. What kind of world would it be if EVERYONE had to sink down to the level of verbal one upmanship to get thier point across? I admit it. I am not as worded(long winded as mebee) as some of you folks. I can't off the top of my head spin out a half dozen Post links to everything from social economic graphical data anaylisys in regards to stratification of existing social boundries to the existence of a virtual sentient ai yeti stalking residents of neualtenburg so I, like many in my seeming social class resort to sarcasm,parody, lowbrow humor and apparently griefing to get my point across. I'm not trying to look smart. I'm just saying that no matter how you word it. If it looks like a skunk, acts like a skunk and smells like a skunk. It's probably a skunk. This current issue with the stipends,lindenX and 5k 512s looks a lot like a skunk. I'll stop posting in these forums and let the huge brained talking heads go back to thier wheeling and dealing. I'm done. Your all smarter then me. I'll let my friends know that we are just to stupid to rent your land,buy your land and to not bother with your great intellectual properties in general. I like T-shirts and stiff hair anyhow. Feel free to screech at me in world though. I actually go there. Watch out though. I am a simple peseant and may react to your mighty intelligence with fear and violence. Peace Comrades.

Dark if the point of SL isnt to become in business then why is the Stipend evil in your eyes? Another thing is it doesnt take money from residents actually it gives them more money to make a profit off of. If you listened carefully to my posting i never said they thought buying it from residents was evil simply that those that dont buy L now are not likely to in the future and people wont take kindly into being forced into doing such. At one way it varies how you look at it. It may take some money from residents but at the same time if i dont have money to buy that residents product thats taking money from residents more so. LL are giving free L which takes no money from anyone and gives people money. It'd be different in the aspect if they were selling it on lindex but they arnt they give it to people who in turn often spend that stipend on products in world.

I for one just used my stipend yesterday to buy a new player a skin which was 1k. Now i would of needed to spend 3.61 at 277 > 1usd. Which was the exchange for 1k. I dont have the close to 4 dollars to buy the L alot of the time and that isnt taking money from anyone. Its giving me L which i in turn give to the person im purchasing something from and they most likely go and sell it on LindEx. Thats how SL works and thats how its worked for a long time. Your thinking is as flawed as mine if you bring that up and for you to say the point of SL isnt business after disagreeing with me seems a bit hypocritcal on your end.

What i was stating was that if Lindex is the only way for people to get L those that dont buy L now simply wont. Its not going to put demand for L up and i think alot of people fail to realize that. In the end mabye they will do it and mabye then people will see how wrong they have been when SL becomes mundane and there is nothing to do. I dont want SL to turn into something sheerly driven by business it should be a balance of social experience and business not one or the other. LL will need to balance it and realize the majority of us that are subscribers to their services (I myself pay like 95 usd a month at the moment) arnt out there trying to make money constantly and that the majority of SL are consumers and in a consumer based market one needs to have money to spend or the people hoping to make money wont make it.

Ask an expert on consumer related things as opposed to economics what is the right way to do the situation they are going to know more considering how things are driven in SL. Im not saying you dont know economics im saying you dont know SL's economy and many people dont and have proven it. I'm concerned about SL's future unlike R&D and i care for people im not calling them stupid im just saying quite simply mabye they should look into how the economy works fully before making a decision on taking out the stipend. Mabye you do understand the economy mabye you dont but if they do understand the economy my next guess would be that they dont care about SL.

I for one dont want to see things turn into what R&D wants i like SL how it is and if its focused to much onto the economic side that will ruin things regardless of what someone like R&D says. Calling people like me a bleeding heart. Well guess what buddy the majority of the people in SL are and you cant just replace what is already here that easily. Dark i say how people dont know much about the economy because quite simply look at posts made by quite a few people. They prove either 1 they know little about sl's economy or 2 that they dont care about SL in general. I argue the point because i am a more social player even though i co own a club i do it for fun im not cashing out constantly and then pushing to ruin stuff for people that play socially.

Realize that the social player makes up the majority of the residents in SL and that ruining that aspect of things will only hurt SL's future. And as i said SL needs a balance of the two area and even you state that. You see there are points i make that are very valid. There is a middle ground and we are in it. But LL is pushing things to much towards the economic end. It had a balance but the people that hold the money seem to be getting more perks then someone like me or a new player.

LL needs to stick to the middle ground i dont want them to go one way or another i want them to keep it into the middle ground how its been for a long time.

They are working to lowering if not eliminating the stipend..

Do you run a business? I myself co own a club and i dont make a profit and im very busy all the time. I come here for fun but im working alot of the time im on. The thing is the usd may be going to LL but hey guess what they need to earn money to and if it does great. You may wanna run a non profit business and see how that goes as opposed to a business for profit or run a business for that matter in general and see how much time is just for fun. The Stipend is neccessary regardless and your still out money if your actually spending what goes towards the stipend just on L. Lets do this as a technicality only 5 usd if paid monthly goes towards a stipend even if they are just paying for the stipend. In which case sure they should just go buy off Lindex but if they want to start a business or own land its a horrid deal. Basically if you want to run a business in SL and only have land with 512 sq m which costs 5 usd about and you have 10 dollars to spend and you want that land you only get 1304L a month (thats subtracting the fee's that would need to go up for find as well) As opposed to owning 512 sq m and getting 1880L a month.

And alot of people running most of the big businesses arnt really social. I try to be but im busy most of my im's are related to work in game. While people can make a profit off SL there are a number that are just using it for that and those are the ones that are concerned about the balance of the lindex really. For the average player it means nothing. It only helps those that have alot of L now no one else. And its not refusing to buy off Lindex just the majority of people dont and wont. Mabye over time as they get used to SL they will but with no introduction to the economy at all whats the point?

Do you run a business? I myself co own a club and i dont make a profit and im very busy all the time. I come here for fun but im working alot of the time im on. The thing is the usd may be going to LL but hey guess what they need to earn money to and if it does great. You may wanna run a non profit business and see how that goes as opposed to a business for profit or run a business for that matter in general and see how much time is just for fun. The Stipend is neccessary regardless and your still out money if your actually spending what goes towards the stipend just on L. Lets do this as a technicality only 5 usd if paid monthly goes towards a stipend even if they are just paying for the stipend. In which case sure they should just go buy off Lindex but if they want to start a business or own land its a horrid deal. Basically if you want to run a business in SL and only have land with 512 sq m which costs 5 usd about and you have 10 dollars to spend and you want that land you only get 1304L a month (thats subtracting the fee's that would need to go up for find as well) As opposed to owning 512 sq m and getting 1880L a month.

And alot of people running most of the big businesses arnt really social. I try to be but im busy most of my im's are related to work in game. While people can make a profit off SL there are a number that are just using it for that and those are the ones that are concerned about the balance of the lindex really. For the average player it means nothing. It only helps those that have alot of L now no one else. And its not refusing to buy off Lindex just the majority of people dont and wont. Mabye over time as they get used to SL they will but with no introduction to the economy at all whats the point?

Lina, your numbers make the stipend sound even worse. Now you are saying that residents could be competing against $L sold at L$2167/US$1 for the yearly fee.

I'm in full agreement with your sentiments, but you should probably check your math. Even if you figure the value of renting 512 square meters in, the Linden value you get from a premium account is no where near that high. 361L/1USD is a common number not counting the land. 512 of land is only worth about 700 lindens a month.

Actually i'm basing it off a monthly fee as opposed to yearly it differs with the payment options. Which would lead to the basis of at the moment earning 24,000 L a year vs getting 18089. Its 6k more a year well a little less then 6k more a year atm. Which is better for the buyers. There is quite a bit of flawed logic in this
"2. Residents could be forced to buy $L at the market value allowing people to afford the content they can actually afford, but not having a negative effect on those that turn around and sell their $L."

For starters this: Residents could be forced to buy $L at the market value allowing people to afford the content they can actually afford" forcing them to buy L to buy content they can just afford. How does that not have a negative effect on the people selling L? For starters if I only buy the content i can afford im alot tighter with my money having a negative impact on the people selling the L. Sure the value of their L may be a little higher but they are going to have Less L to sell which will have a negative impact.

Remember one thing here Dark SL is a consumer market and to make money the consumers have to be willing to buy things if they cant the people trying to make money wont make as much if they money was worth a little less. Basing it off that its logical to make it easier for people to have money at an easier rate and if the sellers are patient they can sell for a higher value. But to punish the social player that wants to own some land and still get a decent amount of L per month cuz some money hungry people are using SL to make some sort of income and relying heavily on it to make payments is just flawed in and of itself.

I really am not sure where you see the good aside from the value of L going up a little thats the only + side to this situation at all. Damaging the consumer power to help the sellers make a little more L > USD value while pushing down the L they can potentially earn is just a flawed logic.