A "fine" idea?

No, they don't get a stipend anymore, true. I re-itterate that the only ones being fined will be ones breaking the ToS and CS. LL does not hammer new residents for valid msitakes (or tries not to. Mistakes happen) and attempts to investigate all reports and incidents completely.

Also, comming in, running up fines and ban times, then simply making a new alt won't work either. Each new all past the first costs the $9.95. Only the first Basic account is free. There probably ways they can get around this, but then they are hacking sytems, usining false (possibly stolen) information and open themselves up to RW laws and legal actions. Add to it that $9.95 will currently buy you @3300L$. So paying a fine is a lot cheeper than buying a new alt account. Unless they've racked up fines that high that fast and do we really want a person who creates issues like that in SL?

If a greifer wants to make an alt for $9.95 a pop just to get banned, let him pay LL. After 100 Alt's and LL can buy a new server for a new sim *snickers*

In all seriousness, however, the fines I propose are designed to curb adverse behavior of those who remain within SL for any period of time. Making it "less profitable" to do the things that are agaisnt the ToS and CS. Newcommers will see it as the community meaning buisness on holding law and order within SL. Accepting that we may turn away a few individuals from joining to protect the soceity we have.

LL has opened the door to registrations. I beleive this makes it even more imparative to enforce the rules we have and put a clout behind them that makes those who would break those rules think twice and then a third time.

Some may see it as the community being "stiff" or "overbearing". I look at it as the community protecting it's own.

~Jessy

bumped: because had a few people mentioning these things in world and referred them here. Hope they added votes. You basically have all mine but a tiny handful.

We have 69 voters. That's a potential 690 votes if everyone is giving 10 votes.

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Bring back Credit Card required registrations. Covered in Vote Proposition 1503. Already more than 2000 votes. Absolutely incredible response.
It is obvious that the new "email only" membership has increased griefing incidents. The moment my group heard about it, people immediately saw that increased griefing would be the result... as did most others.

Now since we could see that so easily, why couldn't Linden Lab? Or if they did foresee it, what on earth possessed them to go ahead with such a decision?

It seems another case of putting corporate mentality ahead of the customer good. And in doing so, they're slicing their own throats. And for what... bogus membership numbers?

What has come about is this: forget fines, forget bannishment, forget security. None of it will now do any good. All griefers have to do is create another alt... simple simple.

The only thing that will do any good now, restricting sims to group only (bad for merchants) or declaring martial law (ie, attacking/banning anyone who even hints at being a griefer), or turning off scripts sim-wide. What kind of nonsense is that?

Will Linden Lab now step up its anti-griefing policies? Highly doubtful.

So folks, unless this decision is reversed and fast... nice knowing you all. SL is history. It's going to turn into a griefer magnet and a grid-wide battlezone. We've had more griefing since this decision came out than in the 3 months prior.

I sometimes have to wonder how the LL decision process works. Dartboard?

Agree with Wayfinder.

My Propsal won't have any impact if open registration is continued. I left 1 vote in 1433 to keep it alive and slammed the other 9 into 1503.

Bring back verification!

~Jessy

You should all read the Answers post he referred to:

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Very VERY well written and to the point. Hope we get a reply

I like it Jessy. You have my votes. Good luck!

-Hunter

Lots of votes.. we still need more. Anyone else besides me willing to add a link in their forum sig ?

Done!

Now that everyone has even less ability to handle their own greif (no PVP reports) anyone else up for jumping on the bandwagon?

Common the FEW PUNISHMENTS ACTUALLY GIVEN OUT need harsher action taken.

No identity verification upon joining, ability to use a bogus email addy (griefer paradise there) and no PVP abuse system to tell who attacked and report such to Linden Lab?

I'll predict two things at this time:
1. SL is about to become a battlezone.
2. A lot of people are about to get fed up and leave Second Life.

402 votes.

Can we please get a few more to break 500 ? This is a VERY worthwhile proposal

The problem is Jessica, Linden doesn't follow up on AR's veryu ofetn unles someone like one of the Land Barons they make a lot of cash off of is the one filing the report.

Done, I'm new and this is the first time I voted because I didn't know how but I learned today.

Unable to TP, all reentry forced to last location. Abuse of such grounded miscreants would still itself be griefing of course. I'd think a couple of hours' signed-in time unable to TP would really drive the point home.

"Linden comments: We are continually monitoring the voting tool and have made an agreement to comment/acknowledge all proposals with over 500 votes."

Almost there. Lets all try to push for the few votes needed. As of this writing we need 95 votes in order to get this looked at.

I guess some have pulled their votes. Need more votes now.

I put up all 10 of mine on this for now. Anyone else willing to put up more votes just till it gets acknowledged?

Its soo close. I"ve pulled every last vote of mine from all my proposals and put them here. WE STILL NEED MORE.

This is not a court of law or a police force sworn to protect the public. You are proposing to make it profitable for a private corporation to punish its users. This is a recipe for abuse and I would not touch this proposal with a 10 foot pole. Kicking someone out of their game is their perogitive but to try to extract a monetary penalty on top of it has questionable legality unless actual damages can be proven, and then its a court matter, not some BS game rule..

I know your hearts are in the right place but this proposal is so wrong on so many levels. There is no presumption of innocence and LL doesn't have to prove wrong doing and you have no defense. You can not support this proposal with the system in place. It would be like supporting a kangeroo court.

I urge the supporters of this proposal to really think about the implications of this proposal and set your vote to zero.

Loniki, I want you to know that I truly respect your opinion but I disagree with you.

True this is not a court of law or a police force but it is the only thing we have. If there were some other alternative that would be great but our only option right now is to use what we have. I do not agree with the system and have had my bad experiences with it, yet, I am willing to go with this change of creating a fine to go along with the punishment. This would not only create a sink but may also make griefers think twice about doing things to disrupt the community. If they want to stay in game than they should show some respect for others. They can choose to not pay the fine and leave.

As far as presumption of innocence goes, if you are reported for something there is a log of what took place for LL to examine. It would be up to them to decide if this is indeed a situation that merits punishment and I do not think the idea of assigning a fine would be taken lightly. In fact I feel it may make them consider the circumstances more thoroughly which would be a good thing.

Profiting from this? I would rather have them profit from this than taking away more from me in the other creative ways they have been thinking up lately. If you have noticed this corporation is in the business of making money. Let them make it off the people who are doing something wrong and not us who are respectful of others. But honestly, I do not see them making a profit off of this. I could be wrong but as far as I know they do not make a profit off of lindens unless they intend to sell them and they are already starting to do that from lindens conjured up from thin air.

We need more votes.

423 votes. C'mon people, we need only 77 votes to get LL to consider this.

No, I don't like this - the issue is not the punishment, the issue is that existing rules with existing penalties are not enforced.

Ever heard of IGE.com?